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The web site is [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> or phone 0208888 1431...I have'nt tried it I acquired the information from the back of the journal Gill -----Original Message----- From: Helen Hannar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 29 June 2004 15:31 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: new OH Journal Hi Gillian, you say 'Occupational Health at Work' is a new journal.. do you have details at all as I have not come across this one. Many thanks, Helen Hannar > Message date : Jun 29 2004, 02:02 PM > From : "Kinselley, Gillian E" > To : [log in to unmask] > Copy to : > Subject : Re: Shortage of applicants for NHS OHA posts > A new journal we received yesterday 'Occupational health at work' June/July > 04 vol 01/1 has an article 'high flyers and poor relations' interesting > reading and high lights salary ranges for OH Professionals..... some how > they seem to of forgotten to say their are very few top multi skilled OHA's > or didn't even mention OH Consultant's let along give pay scales - a good > start though! > > Gill > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Aubrey [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 29 June 2004 13:28 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Shortage of applicants for NHS OHA posts > > > You indicate that you've never had problems recruiting at screening nurse or > training post levels. I wonder if you've had the need to recruit senior > OHAs? If so, did you find this to be easy too? > > I note the original email from Paul D'Arcy mentioned a difficulty in > recruiting people with sufficient skills or experience to fill posts and I > would agree with this. I dont think there is a particular problem recruiting > trainee OHAs or just-qualified OHAs. Finding top quality OHAs with a strong > set of OH management skills and good experience is a very difficult > proposition at present, in my experience. > > Regards > Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Audrey Du'Mont [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 29 June 2004 05:38 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Shortage of applicants for NHS OHA posts > > > Good day > Been listening in to these postings - I ve worked in the NHS OH for the > past 10 years and although in that time there s never been masses of > applicants, there have been particular problems recently recruiting > trained advisors. We never had problems recruiting at screening nurse or > training post levels. > > I think historically NHS work has always been seen as the poor relation > and, although there are many examples of 'good' departments around, there > are still quite a few that aren t and they're the ones that give the rest > of us a poor press. Lack of investment and quality standards, as well as > not allowing entrepreneurial profits to go back into the service > (usually skimmed off to bail out another part of the Trust) have all had > their effects. However, so have the entrenched attitudes amongst OH > staff examples of which have been given by others. > > Yes .the NHS can t always compete on salary, although a recent report > suggested that this wasn t always the case. I also hear that NHS work > isn t challenging enough I can t imagine an area more challenging > there s heaps to get your teeth into, as the NHS is way behind industry in > terms of H&S. Not autonomous enough is something I also hear although > I m never quite sure what they mean work is what you make it. Training > posts have always been available albeit sparsely - I d suggest that > there is many a private company out there who has on its payroll an > advisor trained in the NHS. > > Perhaps I ve been lucky - I ve always worked with nursing colleagues who > have had some business acumen to take a service forward, so I have been > able to gain a wide variety of experience inside and outside the NHS. I > currently work with a group of people that includes a service manager > whose role is to look after the business side of things which means I > can get on with managing the clinical side. > > I believe in the NHS I also believe that NHS staff deserve a better deal > than they d had in the past. Please don t tar us all with the same > brush - there is a huge amount of excellent (not just good) practice out > there and they aren t all very young teams - after all most of the team I > work with are over (well in some cases) the age of 40. > > Regards > Audrey Du'Mont > Clinical Nurse Manager > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remove this footer before replying. > > For list archives and documents, go to > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives > > For jobs in Occupational Health, go to > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/OHJobs/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remove this footer before replying. > > For list archives and documents, go to > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives > > For jobs in Occupational Health, go to > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/OHJobs/ > > > .sophos.3.82.06.29. > > > Emails aren't always secure, and they may be intercepted or changed after they've been sent. Abbey doesn't accept liability if this happens. 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