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Charlie et al, I know I"m behind on everyone's posts, but here's my devil's advocate question, which I tried to imply with my question about photography, film, and video. Gene Youngblood's Expanded Cinema is germane to this discussion, it seems, but certainly predicated on the existence of a history of cinema that _does_ have technology as a distinguishing characteristic. Just because flipbooks and zoetropes existed, doesn't mean that cinema wasn't invented, of course. On 9/3/04 3:22 AM, "Charlie Gere" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: [snip] > Not particularly succinct, but helped to define my understanding of > the field for the discussion then. Since then I have thought about > the above in terms of an overarching concept, that of 'feedback', > meaning any art that either makes or elicits a response, whether > from its own operations, its environment, the system in whcih it is > embedded or to which it is attached, or from the user/viewer. I like > this definition because, again, it avoids thinking in terms simply > of technology. Thus a work such as Hans Haacke's Condensation Cube, > which involves nothing more complex than a perspex cube containing > some moisture that condenses and evaporates in a cycle, could be > included, because it incorporates issues of feedback, process and > other cybernetic ideas, despite the fact that it doesn't use 'media' > > TTFN > > Charlie