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Maybe they'll take WFTC into consideration. Although this is hardly a reduction in intrusiveness. Carol Ince. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane Tomlinson > Sent: 07 June 2004 11:24 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: New flat-rate subscription for CILIP > > > How is Cilip going to determine what is a low wage? What may > be an OK wage > for a single person with no dependents will not be OK for a > single person > with dependents (those with caring responsibilities or > children). Is CILIP > going to introduce a form of means testing - is so I for one > will not be > renewing my membership. > Jane Tomlinson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Harper [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 07 June 2004 10:34 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: New flat-rate subscription for CILIP > > > Agree absolutely, Laura; it is utterly regressive. > > Perhaps the CILIP page should have a balancing set of FAQs: > "what are the > advantages of the present system?" Here are some rejoinders > to the answers > currently presented: > > Why does CILIP's subscription system need to change? Because > the present > system is over-complicated: > [it's been in existence for decades - surely IT should make > it easier to > administrate? And, it's complicated for perfectly valid > reasons - who says > it's "over"-complicated?. Having a 3-year transition period - > now that does > sound complicated] > > , hits members particularly hard at Christmas time, > [erm - I don't want to be churlish, but if you pay the lot in > one go, it's > going to hit hard whenever it happens. Summer holiday time > could be just as > bad. If that's a problem, there's surely already the means to > spread the > burden. And, apart from new members, it would appear that > Christmas is still > going to be when the bill appears] > > and results in subscriptions continuing to rise as your > income does, even > though CILIP provides no additional services in return. [if > CILIP has had > any success in raising the income levels of its members, then it has > automatically provided an extremely valuable service to those > benefitting > from higher incomes. The beauty of the current system is > that, provided the > actual rates for each band don't rise, but bands are merely > added at the top > of the tree, CILIP's income will increase together with the > income of its > members.] > > How will the new system work? Most personal members ..... > will no longer > have to tell CILIP each year how much you earn. [If the > choice is between > the laborious task of ticking a box on the renewal form, and paying a > substantially higher flat rate, I think many will cheerfully > opt for the > former] > > Can I get a discount even if I don't pay it all at once? Yes > - if you go > onto Direct Debit. Then you will be able to pay by > instalments throughout > the year if you wish, and still receive a discount on your > subscription. [If > this doesn't already exist, it can be introduced without > restructuring the > fees] > > Are there any other ways I can save money on my CILIP > subscription? [Hint - > negotiate through your union for employers who insist on > CILIP membership to > repay all your fee] > > Personally I would like to see lower income bands paying far > less - even > free as Paul Catherall suggests. I'm also a bit perplexed by > everyone's > nervousness about stating income range. How many people have > access to this > information? Interesting that those on very low incomes are > still going to > have to make a declaration - unfortunate discrimination if we > really are so > sensitive about it. > > Apologies for length of this! > > Derek Harper > Programme and Information Coordinator > South West of England Regional Development Agency > 01392 229358 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tassoni, Laura [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 04 June 2004 17:20 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: New flat-rate subscription for CILIP > > > http://www.cilip.org.uk/member/newsubscription.html > Hi everyone, what do people think about these changes to the CILIP > subscription system? Seems rather regressive to me. Have we had a > consultation? > > Laura > ---------------------- > Laura Tassoni > Information Adviser > Learning Centre > Sheffield Hallam University > 0114 225 4700 > [log in to unmask] > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security > System. For > more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ********************************************************************** > Receipt of this e-mail is subject to conditions: > Click link to view the disclaimer--> <a > href="http://www.southwestrda.org.uk/email-disclaimer">http:// www.southwestr da.org.uk/email-disclaimer</a> ********************************************************************* ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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