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Are there any other CILIP members who like me are fed up of seeing CILIP running courses for managing volunteers. So much for supporting the profession! Ed Tim Buckley Owen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Just on a point of information again... It is actually 36% of CILIP members who are on income-related subscription rates and who declare incomes of 17,000 or less - not 44%. The 44% figure refers to income-related subscription payers who earn between 17,000 and 22,000, and finally there are 20% earning above 22,000. N.B. These percentages refer only to those members who are on income-related rates, and don't take into account categories such as affiliated or supporting or expatriate members, who are on a flat rate already. Tim Buckley Owen. -----Original Message----- From: Julia Johnson [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 29 October 2004 15:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re : 44% of us earn #17K (or less) I was horrified to learn that 44% of CILIP's members are on ?17K or less. Leaving aside the contemplation of salaries of ?10K- 12K. As those of us who work in London know, a second-jobber secretary with A-levels (and secretarial college, I assume) can earn more than that (My employer is seeking someone of that ilk, and I believe the salary is ?25K-?28K) If I had my time over, I would make sure I had decent IT, document production and related skills. I think that I might never have been unemployed, while I looked for information work. If I had been lost to the profession, then that would have been the operation of "market forces". Regards Julia Johnson --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!