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I am grateful to Tim Buckley-Owen for clarifying that 80% of those members of CILIP who pay income-related subscriptions earn 22K or less. Surely, this fact alone calls for CILIP to lead a timely review of the state of the profession from which to redefine the roles of our professional body and, in the meantime, take action to prioritise the work of colleagues at Ridgmount Street (whose lot is not always a happy one) so they can deliver such practical solutions as those suggested by Fiona McLean? It is fantastic to see so much debate about our professional body. Were we to abandon CILIP we would certainly wish to reinvent a new professional body. The risk is that with these kind of salaries in place CILIP may simply be presiding over the demise of the profession itself... Let's not move deck-chairs, focussing on subs and how to keep CILIP afloat. I would have thought the bigger challenge is to focus on how we can best serve organisations, clients, users - society - to bring our skills to bear in the age of information and informatics - and in so doing boost our reputation and remuneration. Surely this should be our time? It seems to me that we need to find our voices - and look to CILIP to provide the services that can help us gain influence in the workplace. I'll go to work now! :) Sue Sue Lacey Bryant - BA Hons, Dip Lib, MSc, MCLIP Independent Information Specialist E-mail: [log in to unmask] Mob: 0 777 34 77 55 2 "There are things known, and there are things unknown. And in between are the doors." Jim Morrison