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Yes, it's a tired old subject all right. Funny that it still bothers us. I wonder if the radical new qualification system will be widely noticed and appreciated by the outside world? As I have said before, I had such bad experiences with the LA that I would no longer consider doing anything more for it. I don't see why, in general, people always say "Oh, if you don't like the organization, stand for office and try to change it single-handed". I thought we paid our officers to reflect our views. Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA 51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671 -----Original Message----- From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jim Jackson Sent: 16 January 2004 13:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: LIS gazette: Watson What suprises me about this list is that we can, in a morning, generate dozens of emails about such tired old ideas of what is a librarian worth. And yet now is the very time when CILIP is offering a huge change in Qualifications and Certification, which will alter the way membership of the organisation is organised, and recognised with Chartership and Fellowship. See http://www.cilip.org.uk/qualifications/framework.html Of course CILIP is an membership organisation, its members fill posts on local Branches and Groups, and its governing body, we also employ people in Ridgmount Street to carry out various jobs for us. I would suggest that if you are not happy with what CILIP does or does not do, you make your views known via these officers. Even better to stand for election yourself for posts on these committees, and make the changes happon yourself. Perhaps if we can show we can organise ourselves, employers might be more impressed by our skills. ---------------------- Jim Jackson C/O The Law Library University of Exeter Rennes Drive Tel:44(0) 1392 263356 Exeter. EX4 4RJ Fax:44(0) 1392 263196 ******************************************************************** Any Opinions expressed in this message are my own, and not those of the University of Exeter. They do not form any statement by the University of Exeter or any other member there of.