Hi
Carol, I think that your idea is a great idea - whilst I think that
Emilce's views can be a tad extremist - I believe that there are a lot
of issues out there affecting us, and having a discussion list to this
effect could help members put things into perspective. A few issues
have been highlighted over the last few days, and getting things into
the open can hopefully help others by emphasizing that they are not
alone.
As far as chartering goes, I am doing route A simply for my own piece of
mind - my employers do not request it, and infact when I started we had
to write our own Route A programme, because I was the only non-chartered
Librarian within the organisation, which from a personal point is great
because I was involved from the beginning. I am working hard to
complete it and feel that this list has helped, and the current
discussion has brought some right relief over the past few days!
The Library and Information Profession is compared to others, for
example Accountancy pathetically paid, especially when Accountants
qualify whether through ICAS, CIPFA, CIMA or ACCA earnings can jump from
22,000 to 30,000!!!! Many Accountants don't even have a Hons degree!
But this comes with the territory and Accountants are valued more (for
some strange reason- they just seem to punch numbers into a calculator -
but I live with one and am allowed to say that!)- we just have to
continue to make ourselves completely invaluable - until the world
realises that it can't evolve without us! (Although my partner and his
colleagues do phone me on a daily basis looking for all sorts of
information - so maybe we are on the way!)
Joanne
Joanne M Campbell
Library Information Services Manager (Scotland and Northern Ireland)
Marie Curie Cancer Care
0141 531 1354 (Glasgow)
0131 470 2217 (Edinburgh)
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From: Carol Ince [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 15 January 2004 09:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The chartership qualification
Excellent suggestion Charlotte.
Maybe part of the reason that people come to question the status quo
while they're doing their Charter, is that we're analysing our own jobs,
seeing how we can do them better, and coming up against things that
stand in the way of us being able to make changes for the better.
When we talk to people who have progressed further in their professional
career, we find that some of these issues have been problems for a
while.
While being enthusiastic and positive about many things in the
profession,
including our own jobs and the people we provide services to,
its almost impossible to look at what we do analytically,
and not realise that some things are less than ideal.
Maybe another list for people working towards their Charter,
for the discussion of issues which are not directly to do with the
production of our PDRs or training might be useful.
I'm not sure I feel confident enough to discuss some issues
with people who have been in the profession for years-
(although being on other lists is very useful)
also I don't want to waste time on a list reinventing the wheel.
Chances are that people working towards their Charter are
going to want to discuss similar issues, and new people will
keep wanting to raise the same issues that a list has discussed
previously.
If anyone would be interested in a list for people on the way to their
Charter,
not directly related to training or PDR writing,
could you get in touch?
It would be useful if only people who are interested in joining or
helping to
moderate such a list got in touch on this subject, and not people who
just want to say
that they would be happy if such discussion were taken off this list.
Of course its always possible that Emilce is in the process of doing
this herself.
I've forwarded her a copy of this just in case.
All the best,
Carol.
-----Original Message-----
From: list for CILIP members working towards MCLIP status
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charlotte Wilmot
Sent: 15 January 2004 09:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: The chartership qualification
Dear all,
Chartership and qualifications are currently under review and
you will have been sent a booklet explaining it and a request for you to
feed back to CILIP. They are open to you comments and constructive
criticism. Use the opportunity and express your opinion to the people
with the power to do it.
Cilip is not an anonymous agent, you can actually get involved
and express your opinions and make suggestions. I would suggest that
people who are not happy with the way CILIP goes about raising our pay
and status put themselves forward for membership of a board, go along to
the AGM and raise your issues. Get them debated nationally or raise it
with your local branch as an issue for debate. Sometimes it is difficult
to do these things either geographically or time wise, but you can
always write or e-mail the powers that be.
I am enthusiastic about the profession and chartership, but I do
also question the way things are and get involved with the consultation
exercises that CILIP put to its members from time to time. While I was a
student I also became a student rep on the Northern CILIP branch
committee to see what it was all about and gain experience of
committees. I was rather miffed to see that people thought that people
who were enthusiastic about chartership, never questioned anything. That
is surely what you do in the chartership report, EVALUATE and ANALYSE.
My policy is to be proactive - seize opportunities when they
arise, direct your constructive criticsm, suggestions for improvement to
people who have the power to change things. Above all be positive and
enthusiastic (hard to maintain I know when you are working and writing
your report - I'm not Doris Day)
Charlotte Wilmot
Subject Librarian: Film and Graphics/
Erasmus Co-ordinator
Arts Institute at Bournemouth,
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