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of classical philosophers, Plato, Aristotle, Buddha, "Lao'zi" and others. many voices that could have had great insight god under the rug and remain there. Xeno of Citium who's that? yet paradoxes about and american government seems to mrach up a Sisyphean hill. better could be done, but ancient lies profound and difficult to unravel predominate. leaving me contemplating the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. the answer -- meaning 'the answer", the divine gift, the elixir, could be in a vault somewhere protected from being shared with humanityI adore spielberg, i think many of his best tricks get lost in the details. shooting stars alluding to magic. the irony of Plato's republic! Poets Lie. Democracy Leads to Mob rule. a man said this! Just a man! His biased statements early in the developmemnt of pjhilosophy stun millions with their hidden deceptiveness. Virginal Woolf and Sylvia Plath...how many other dead poets?> the infulence of Platonist -- even the word "Platonic" carries all the ennui and angst of feelings shoved down in favor of pleasing The Neighbors, squashed feelings that were sincere...Plato is a nightmare. Deleuze said that the whole goal of philosophy was to stop Plato at all costs (a paraphrase). I go a step deeper and say that phiosophy has made an icon of a man who basically fawned for the crowned heads of brutality...and then they presented his philosophy as the best. Reductio ad absurdem...look at the world Plato's Republic has given us. where's the joy! it's an embarassment of riches -- Dobald Trump can't take it with him. I find a greater philosopher in the author of the Gospel of Mark, who asked what if one gain the whole world or lose his soul? I like THAT Guy. if someone could go back in time and replace Plato with the Gospel writer of the Markan exegesis we'd all potentially be a LOT more happy now... what does Republic give us? NIXON and the threat of nuclear war, always looming, making us spinless cowards. It;s not conscience that makes cowards of us all -- it is the fear of the Nuclear state. Even high ranking egenerals fear the ordrs of the commanders in chief -- but their hands tied by tradition (so it would seem) they "just follow orders". such orders are ordure, they come from a pit of stink that i call Platonic philosophy. reductio ad absurdem...plato said that poets lie so that he could tell some stinking whoppers right to Aristotle, Socrates and let;s not forget -- the future. Plato is still lying to us, and Ginsberg didn't like his attitude. Ginsberg was truthful Woolf, divinely inspired. She dide hearing "voices in her head," from whence? to HELL with Plato and his cold hearted philosophy. plato is just Scrooge, justifying a tightfisted attitude with all the warmpth and caring of a cold skeletal hand. "Plato"? christ...why they called it "hellas" i admire other philosophers of that age -- and their contribution is the core of our work as film philosophers, artists, cinematographers, students -- whatever we do we have to grapple with plato as Jacob wrestled his angel. Each day as we consider filmic art. --- ===== http://particlezen.proboards7.com/index.cgi the edge of everything. no, really. http://www.geocities.com/r_ayana/index.html save the world? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail * * Film-Philosophy Email Discussion Salon. After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. **