Martin Hoskins on 19 May 2004 at 08:55 said:- > Perhaps we are merely witnessing two Teutonic plates slowly > colliding - these plates are comprised of the "data > protection evangelists", who wish that data protection > legislation was more in accordance with their personal > values, The Directive attempts to ensure that social groups (organisations) values are clearly known to data subjects whilst providing some protection for those individuals values which have been internationally agreed in negotiation involving most (but not all) philosophical persuasions. Interpreting the relevant values to reflect the pertinent circumstances surrounding the collection of data from a data subject will inevitably entail some negotiation between the social group and the data subject involved. But equally inevitably each party will wish data they control to singularly reflect their own values. Given that many social groups generally wish also to impose their own values on data subjects. (i.e. Religions, Nation States, Corporate entities) the individuals will be subject to many objections similar to Martin's point above rather than a recognition of differing interests in a wider sphere. and the "data protection conservatives", who wish to > adopt a minimalist approach to standardisation. This appears to be an "I am I, and you are not I; we are shut inside ourselves and apart from each other." (Mendleson 1999 quoting Auden) type of issue, which could be more reflective of an approach by the strong who believe they can adequately protect themselves, and others should also do so. (The potential for escalating conflict is clear, as is a relationship to the first point.) The Directive and DPA placing a degree of control of implementation at the level of the data subject/data controller is bound to be fraught with the danger that some interest will bend it to their 'values'. What surprised me about Durant was the scale of the intervention by the particular interests involved. And it's not even Thursday yet. Ian W N.B. RFIDs may well provide some useful case studies to illustrate the minimalist type approach. With organisations intending/using RFIDs not seemingly worried about the privacy of their own data, and RFID scanners being quite cheaply purchased, opportunities will exist for anybody to scan whole organisations producing analysable and useful organisational data for various purposes. > -----Original Message----- > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection > issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Martin Hoskins > Sent: 19 May 2004 08:55 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: UK's Data Protection Act Might Not Meet European > Union Standa rds > > > Perhaps we are merely witnessing two Teutonic plates slowly > colliding - these plates are comprised of the "data > protection evangelists", who wish that data protection > legislation was more in accordance with their personal > values, and the "data protection conservatives", who wish to > adopt a minimalist approach to standardisation. > > Given the attention we often pay on the open roads to speed > limits, it constantly surprises me that some individuals > place such an emphasis on the obscure minutiae of European Directives! > > Long live the (UK) courts! Their decisions often bring a > smile to my face................ > > Yes, I have a Friday feeling aleaady. > > > Regards > > > Martin Hoskins > Data Protection Manager > > T-Mobile (UK) Ltd > Hatfield Business Park > Hatfield, Hertfordshire AL10 9BW > +44 (0)7957 234585 > +44 (0)1707 319056 fax ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^