I tink Ian has hit another valuable point with his rewording to ensure 'professional language'. I always train staff to 'get it right first time' when recording information. If it's recorded and collected right in the first place, it can save a lot of data protection problems in the long run (ie derogatory comments disclosed via subject access, or secondary purposes where consent has not been obtained - and no other condition applies, fairness) this can be overcome with two steps 1 - reviewing form design (for fair processing, purposes, adequacy, relevancy, excessiveness, too 'open' questions etc) 2 - staff training in use of proffessional language. Staff should be aware that even the casual email or memo they write to their mates at work has the potential to be disclosable and should conduct themselves accordingly. My favourite example of this is in my previous employment, where an individual had stated - ' this woman is obviously as mad as a box of frogs' - on a memo that was then asked for under section 7, and, as it was recorded in her file, disclosed. The trouble this caused could have been avoided had the individual said - 'in my non-professional opinion, I believe this lady may showing symptoms of mental instability, such as...' Also statements, based on facts rather than subjective opinions are always a better way to record information. Regards Ralph T B O'Brien Group Data Protection Officer Metropolitan Housing Group 020 8829 8070 [log in to unmask] Cambridge House 109 Mayes Road Wood Green London N22 6UR www.mht-group.co.uk Views expressed may be those of the sender and may not reflect Metropolitan Housing Groups policy. >>> <[log in to unmask]> 12/08/2004 09:24:58 >>> In a message dated 11/08/04 15:35:22 GMT Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: > Investigation into alleged CT fraud - derogatory comments on form have been > made as to the individual's answers i.e. they are obvious lies. This is an > ongoing investigation. He has now requested details of all his information, > I presume we can withhold some of the information as it could be detrimental > to the outcome of the investigation i.e. you don't tell him what you are > doing to detect this fraud/crime. > ---------- You can use s29(1)(a) or 29(1)(c) depending upon your intentions. If you intend to pursue a prosecution for the fraud, part (a) allows you to withhold any information that would prejudice the prosecution. You will, of course, have to reveal it under disclosure rules of the court. Not all the data you have is likely to prejudice the action so you may have to reveal part of the record, eg the amount owed, last payment made, etc Sub-subsection (c) allows you withhold anything likely to prejudice the assessment or collection of any tax or duty or of any imposition of a similar natu re. CT has been recognised as an "imposition of a similar nature" and therefore the exemption applies even where a criminal prosecution is not your intention. Please remember though the Human Rights Act which will probably force you to reveal information to the alleged perp at some stage. You can't say, for example, "you may as well pay up, we have enough evidence" without revealing it. The derogatory comment "the answers are obviously lies" could have been worded as "we have evidence proving that these answers are untruthful" and then that too could probably have been withheld (I'm assuming that evidence exists). Ian B Ian Buckland Managing Director Keep IT Legal Ltd Please Note: The information given above does not replace or negate the need for proper legal advice and/or representation. It is essential that you do not rely upon any advice given without contacting your solicitor. If you need further explanation of any points raised please contact Keep I.T. 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