Simon Howarth (WSL) on 26 July 2004 at 09:42 stated:- > Firstly I will state that I have no problem with my DNA > profile being held > responsibly by the police on an indefinite basis. I do not > plan to commit a > crime, let alone one where my DNA may be used as evidence, > but I am happy > that should I ever be a suspect my DNA profile can be > immediately checked > without the need to cause me inconvenience, and my innocence > so far as the > DNA is concerned "proven". It also pleases me that the perp's > DNA can be > checked and they be swiftly dealt with. The use of photographs and fingerprints probably went through just the same sort of debates originally. Reverting to DP compliance, the difficulties present when looking at the situation appear to be mainly compliance with principles three, five, six, seven and possibly eight. Principle one fairness issues could enter into things at the collection stage, but the legal requirements clearly exist, and so Principle one is met. With the legislation allowing forcible collection, and controls being in place with the Custody Officer (to uphold the data subjects rights), and the defence solicitor also doing the same, there appear to be some protections for any detained person. If the detained person were to be photographed, fingerprinted and DNA sampled prior to being refused charge, or being later found not guilty of something like drink driving or being involved in a brawl, their defence solicitor would uphold their rights, provided the innocent data subject were aware of the issues and willing to raise any concerns. Photographs and fingerprints could originally at some stage be destroyed, and DNA would be retained. I guess national ID will remove the photographic anomalous retention periods, and fingerprints could quite possibly become a historical anomaly as the use of DNA grows. [log in to unmask] on 26 July 2004 at 09:32 observed:- > The other problem is that the more DNA profiles are stored, > the more chance > there is of finding out that they are not as "unique" as the > scientists would > have us believe. The number of "matching points" on > fingerprints has had to be > increased to ensure that difference levels are maitained. > Even so, neither > system is totally foolproof. Yes, some logical synergy between different scientific disciplines exists here. Principle two compliance would probably be met by the use of the research exemption. The only difficulty I would perceive in that is the longer term Principle two compliance and security decisions and determinations. I suppose, like fluoride, stronger bones and teeth are better for chewing as one grows. Ian W ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^