Tim From a cost benefit view. Switch the camera off. Police not interested in civil disputes The potential litigation bill makes buying a new vending machine cheaper. David Wyatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Turner" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [data-protection] New CCTV guidance from IC > This may be a silly question. Suppose I am a small user - let's say I'm a > school and I have little cameras trained on the drinks machine so that if > one of the kids smashes into it, I'll know which one of them it was, and can > deal accordingly. Now I guess that would mean that my camera is not covered > by DP - after all, I can't move the cameras and all I intend to do with the > images is send them to the Constabulary so that Junior can thumb his nose at > the legal system. > > The new CCTV guidance says that large users, i.e. town centre cameras etc. > are still covered, and still need signs. So does this mean that as I am not > covered, I don't need signs? And if this is right, and the cameras are tiny > and nobody notices them, am I conducting covert surveillance under RIPA? Or > am I just trying too hard? > > Tim Turner > Data Protection Officer > Wigan Council > > > ---------- > > From: Graham > > Hadfield[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > > Reply To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: 05 February 2004 14:53 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [data-protection] New CCTV guidance from IC > > > > >I would assume that crime prevention/prosecution of offenders will still > > stand i.e. if >someone is caught on a camera in a small shop in the > > process > > of shoplifting or even >more seriously someone holding a gun to a > > shopkeeper and demanding the takings........I >assume that if they state > > that they are recording surely it must have some merit in a >Court of law. > > > > The guidance actually states that DPA no longer applies if recording is > > merely for the purpose of handing over of recorded images to police to > > investigate such incidents. > > > > >Nearly Friday.............. > > Yeh, and the great thing is I'm off tomorrow :-) > > > > Graham > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > > available to the world wide web community at large at > > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > > All user commands can be found at : - > > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses using Sophos > anti-virus software. > > www.mimesweeper.com > www.sophos.com > ********************************************************************** > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > available to the world wide web community at large at > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > All user commands can be found at : - > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^