Duncan,
Do the BCRs only apply to the personal information of employees of the
multinational in question? Or to data subjects requesting a SAR from said
multinational, whatever the applicable law?
Jo
----- Original Message -----
From: Duncan Smith <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens acces s rights
Tim,
Our experience with model contract versus safe harbor [sic] is that model
contract forces a US organisation to be bound by the 'rulings' of overseas
Information Commissioners and (for the clients we have dealt with) the law
of England and Wales. This is not something the majority of US corps are
comfortable with. Hence BCRs!?
This thread moves faster than I can type!
Still concerned over this jurisdictional issue. My view: no living
individual falls outside of UK data protection legislation so long as their
data is processed (in any way shape or form) by a UK data controller.
Regards,
Duncan S Smith
Director
iCompli Limited Northampton UK
T: 08707 70 48 66 F: 08707 70 48 69 M: 07775 56 81 80
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
Sent: 29 November 2004 16:31
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens acces s rights
Now if one is simply seeking to exchange data with only the USA then Safe
Harbor is the "easiest" though it is pretty arduous and invites the FTC in.
With regard to the "Standard Contractual Clauses", my feeling is that these
are badly misunderstood. The term "Model Contract Clauses" was used, and so
many people choose to see this as the "finished product" whereas they are
actually "model clauses" for contracts which will include some, all, or none
of them.
In reality they are a starting point for any corporation that wants to
ensure that it is legal in its data transfers and dealings. -----Original
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jo Archer
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens acces s rights
No offence, Tim. I was thinking of the U.S.Department of Commerce website
and all the correspondance about the Safe Harbor Agreement. When I last
looked they weren't happy about the standard contractual clauses and that
was before the Article 29 WP started thinking about BCRs.
Jo
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]>
To: 'Jo Archer' <[log in to unmask]>;
<[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens acces s rights
> The only ointmental fly with BCRs that we have found is that they are
> new, and so far not all the DP Authorities recognise them. They beat
> intra company contracts hollow for administration, though ICCs may
> have to be
used
> where a DPA has not yet ratified the BCR concept
>
> Was that the "not everyone" you were referring to, or have you come
> across something I need to be thinking harder about?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jo Archer
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:25 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens acces s rights
>
> Quite right! However, not everyone is happy with the BCRs and a good
> proportion of industry will have to look closely at the jurisdictional
> issues.
>
> Jo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens acces s rights
>
>
> > The thing is, really it ought not to matter. And, as we are
> > discovering with our clients, Binding Corporate Rules ensure that it
does
> not matter.
> >
> > An organisation worth its salt should be able to respond to any data
> request
> > or data subject complaint wherever it is in the world, and do so
> > with competence and speed.
> >
> > It should not be a matter of "rights", it should be a matter of
> > pride.
> >
> >
> >
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> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Antoinette
> > Carter
> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:55 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [data-protection] FW: [data-protection] FW:
> > [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens acces s rights
> >
> > And me too. If the data controller is UK based, the DPA applies,
> > and
> there
> > is no limitation/exemption on the data subject access rights
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hughes
> > Sent: 29 November 2004 15:42
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> > Still Yes from me!
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> >
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> > Yes
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: 29 November 2004 15:19
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> > Subject: [data-protection] Non Uk Citizens access rights
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> > Do non UK citizens have the same access rights under DPA e.g does
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> > Steve
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