In message <000201c42322$30a05290$9d3468d5@ntlworld>, ianwelton <[log in to unmask]> writes > it was simply that most of the Americans I have met have both >passports, bank/credit/store/fuel cards and all sorts of ID material >for differing sectors. If by "bank card" you mean "debit card", then these are indeed available - although almost indistinguishable from a credit card. For passports, it's easy to gather a group of Americans who don't just not-have a passport, but have never seen one either. >I had however not limited my reply to the need for alcohol related ID, which >only appears relevant for a few years during the life of any individual, as >age soon becomes a simple and apparent visible fact. Sadly not. People of all ages (even the obviously over 21's) are required by law to show ID when buying alcohol. Where I live, anyway. Yesterday, for the first time in a year, a chap at a supermarket asked me for my birthday (which they have to type in for the till to sell alcohol) rather than my ID. >Are you saying that the retailer is not trying to avoid liability by >insisting employees check ID? He is complying with the law. >Or is it that ID checks for alcohol purchases are always necessary as a >means of avoiding relying upon an employees judgement? It is possible, but I don't know, that employers lobbied for this law, in case they got sued by the parents of a dead old-looking 20 year old who duped one of their assistants into selling him alcohol. Parents *do* get sued when they "allow" their teenage kids to give alcohol to their teenage friends and death or injury results. >I have insufficient experience or knowledge outside of your observations >within this thread which would enable informed comment. In this instance I was referring to the transfer of medical records in the UK GP to GP, Consultant to Consultant). As far as I know it's only in a UK context that anyone has suggested that an ID card might contain medical records (and even then I doubt the basis of those reports.) >By "least advantaged" I meant the majority who gained no advantage from ID >(White middle aged America?) They gain the advantage that wrong-doers (eg everyone else) are more easily caught and prosecuted. Well, that's what they think. -- Roland Perry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^