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>Mr Bircumshaw has the advantage over me, in that if I answer this malicious crap it will be terminally boring L< Lawrence, you've done it again, that is presenting an assertion as an argument. Your statement allows for no discussion, instead, by flamboyantly not answering anything, you therefore imply that what I said is nothing - 'malicious crap' indeed! What interest or purpose would I have to be 'malicious' to you? I made two points of fact: the one that you tried to make out I was a pseudonym for somebody else, which you did when I first joined this list, which is on the archives if anyone can be bothered to check, the other that you tried to get Robin's e-mail access removed recently because you don't like things he says , he's actually calmer than me about it. I have no self-interest or ulterior motive in maintaining this non-conversation, I find it something worse than 'terminally boring'. Tell me something about poetry instead, that's what lists such as this are supposed to be about. Last night, for instance, I was talking to two Russians, highly literate people both, who had never heard of Khodasevitch and were amazed that I had but couldn't tell me for sure how his name should be pronounced! I love things like that that the art can produce in one's life. 's lot better than all these wrangles. All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Upton" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: Re: anti-american, Mr Bircumshaw has the advantage over me, in that if I answer this malicious crap it will be terminally boring L -----Original Message----- From: david.bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> To: Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Date: 19 November 2004 00:06 Subject: Re: anti-american, >>One cannot justify bad behaviour by pointing to worse > >L< > >This is quite true, Lawrence, and on the same grounds can you justify your own tone of moral self-righteousness in respect of your >recent attempt to get Robin Hamilton debarred from e-mail access because he had the nerve to disagree with you, which action on your >part I thought both laughable and despicable, his ISP didn't take you seriously either, OR can you explain away what you did to me >when I was first on a poetry list. i.e. fake a claim that I was a pseudonym for a literary enemy of yours? Huh huh? > >You get away with one verbal atrocity after another, that's opinion, I don't like bullies, but the matters I refer to are simply >facts, there's no dispute that they happened. Get off the high ground and talk to people as a fellow human, I'll welcome you down on >the plateau, and shake your hand in fellowship. > >All the Best > >Dave > > > >David Bircumshaw > >Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet >& Painting Without Numbers > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lawrence Upton" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:25 PM >Subject: Re: anti-american, > > >One cannot justify bad behaviour by pointing to worse > >L > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeremy Green <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >Date: 18 November 2004 18:27 >Subject: Re: anti-american, > > >>Quoting Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>: >> >>> If they were all voting against Bush only, that would be something; but >>> Kerry isn't that far from Bush; and I assume many who voted for him >wanted >>> him >>> >> >>The differences will be abundantly clear once Bush has stuffed the Supreme >>Court with far-right ideologues and reversed Roe vs. Wade, when the neocon >>foreign policy has moved on Iran, when the remaining tatters of welfare >>programs have been stripped away, and when the tax system has been reformed >>still further in favor of the rich... >> > > >