Allstaters, Please accept my apologies for a second posting. My earlier attempt revealed some serious ambiguities in my formulation of the problem. I wish to express my thanks to all those who tried to grapple with my inadequate specification of the problem the first time. Let me try again. Suppose that I run n iid Bernoulli processes synchronously and in parallel. I define this as a meta-process. This is run until meta-success is achieved, where meta-success is defined as having achieved a success on EACH of the individual processes. What is the number of trials (of the meta-process) required to achieve meta-success? Note 1. This is asking for the expectation of the maximum (no. of trials) for n iid Bernoulli processes. Note 2. Consider n=2 and p=0.5 as an example. p(1)=1/4 p(2)=5/16 p(3)=13/64 p(4)=29/256 and so on. Note 3. I note that I can get the probability for requiring exactly k trials p(k) from the corresponding cdf by differencing thus: p(1)=p**n cdf(k)=(1-q**k)**n p(k)=cdf(k)-cdf(k-1) Thus I require the sum from k=1 to k=infinity of k*p(k) to get the expectation that I require. Allan -- Dr. Allan White, Statistical Advisory Service, University of Birmingham Tel. 0121-414 4750 or 44750 (internal), Email [log in to unmask]