The point that I am trying to clarify is whether chronologically maintained manual personnel files escape disclosure under both the DPA and FOIA. When I put this to OIC I was told that chronologically ordered manual personnel files did not meet the definition of a relevant filing system and were not disclosable. I then asked whether a data subject could access this same personnel file under FOIA and was told no as it contained personal data. The OIC cannot have it both ways. There is no doubt that manual personnel files are crammed full of personal data and this makes the Durant decision illogical. Personnel files probably hold more personal data than any other file in the organisation and current and former staff will find bizarre that they cannot get any form of access to it under DPA or FOIA. Have we got a situation that excludes this employment area from any effective scrutiny by data subjects. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: DREW Nic [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 07 September 2004 15:32 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [data-protection] Interaction between DPA and FOI FOIA introduces a new category of data (category e ) into the DPA, but only for public authorities. This category will widen access to personal data,that Durant might have prevented, but has an exemption for access to personnel data. See sections 68 and 69 of the FOIA. Nic -----Original Message----- From: Watson, Patrick [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 07 September 2004 10:56 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Interaction between DPA and FOI Can colleagues help me to clarify some issues relating to the interaction between data protection and FOI. Many manual files including personnel files do not meet the Court of Appeal (Durant) definition of a relevant filing system and are therefore not disclosable under the subject access provisions of the DPA. If a file is not considered to be personal data then what access is there to this file by the data subject through FOI? Thanks Patrick Email has been scanned by www.emf-systems.com for viruses and SPAM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Email has been scanned by www.emf-systems.com for viruses and SPAM Email has been scanned by www.emf-systems.com for viruses and SPAM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^