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the way I understood it was that HBSMR group was for exegesis users only ... HER Forum was the national one Jason -----Original Message----- From: Mike Shaw [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:14 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Various issues - 1 of 3 - attendance at meetings Can we have some clarification first on the purpose and area served by the various groups. My understanding was that whereas HBSMR User Group serves a British-wide or even International audience and hence could have meetings anywhere (I believe the Bahamas was mentioned at the last meeting and have already started saving my air miles), the HER Forum meetings are organised by English Heritage primarily for the English SMRs. I seem to remember that when a meeting was held in Edinburgh this was heralded as a fraternal visit. If I am right HER Forum meetings should normally be held in England. If I am wrong presumably Historic Scotland/CADW etc should join with EH in bearing some of the costs. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Turner" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Various issues - 1 of 3 - attendance at meetings > Dear All > Yes I'm serious, (ARIA did make it here once and intereg programmes have > too). I got lots of enthusiasm both on and off list. Perhaps folk ought to > find out from their authorities whether its viable - travel costs are high, > but have it on a Thurs and instead of travelling back Fri, we could arrange > to take you out and about then and over the w/e. O/n s - presumably we all > get the same allowance being LAs or quango LAs. If you want to come then > do, but make it May - July for your own benefits (better weather makes it > more interesting). We have a lovely conference room too! > Val > > Val Turner > Regional Archaeologist, Shetland > > Shetland Amenity Trust > Garthspool > Lerwick > Shetland ZE1 ONY > 01595 694688 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of > [log in to unmask] > Sent: 11 December 2003 14:22 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Various issues - 1 of 3 - attendance at meetings > > Dear All > I've been reading this discussion with interest and a little bit of > frustration. As some of the points made relate to things that were set up > when I chaired the HBSMR Users Group, it might be worth giving a few > thoughts and, where appropriate, reminding everyone of why we did what we > did. I've split it into three, as it's otherwise a long blether. > > Attendance at meetings > Although the hope is for a large and representative number at every meeting, > it's not always going to happen, for various reasons, many of which have > been aired. Difficultly for travel is not an absolute and isn't determined > by distance alone - personal factors, reliability and timetabling of > transport all come into the equation. While I would hope that budgets > stretch to travel, not all will be able to support regular overnight > accommodation coasts . Just a fact of life for many, I suspect. There is > clearly a difficulty in not everyone being able to get easily to meetings > from all locations. That is at least one benefit in moving around, ensuring > that everyone gets a chance to attend a meeting near them. It spreads the > load and allows us all to get out and about. Travel is much more difficult > for those covering large rural areas, such as Scottish-based colleagues. > This is true even within their own areas (for example, when I was with > Highland Council, I did occasion! > ally have overnight stays just to do site visits!). So let's exercise some > tolerance for everyone else's difficulties, eh? > > I don't want to stick to just one meeting place, and I don't want to visit > London any more than I can help. So: let's start spreading it around > further. It has always been difficult to get people to host meetings, be > they HBSMR or National, but it's worth the effort. Sarah's right too: a > meeting doesn't take much organising. Were you serious, Val? Were you > serious, those who thought Shetland was a good idea? As an alternative, if > everybody is ready for a 6 hour ferry trip from Oban or a plane ride landing > on Traigh Mhor, Barra's cockle beach airport, we could ask Historic Scotland > to let us have use of Kismul Castle, the ancestral home of the MacNeils. I > could have a word with the family...? Exotic or what? > Jim > > +~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ > Jim McNeil, South Yorkshire Archaeology Service > Planning, Transport and Highways > Howden House, 1 Union Street, Sheffield, S1 2SH > Tel.: 0114 273 6428 Fax.: 0114 273 5002 > Email: [log in to unmask] > +~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ > > > > The information in this email is confidential. The contents may not be > disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you are not the > addressee, please tell us by using the reply facility in your email software > as soon as possible. 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