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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >And >do you have a source for this French version? There's a Latin one in >Caesarius of Heisterbach's closely contemporary _Dialogus miraculorum_, >dist. 5, cap. 21. But that's put in the mouth of a character in a dialogue >and is preceded by the distancing formula "fertur dixisse", leading one to >suppose that Caesarius (who is ordinarily concerned to indicate the >relative reliability of his sources) is not vouching for the accuracy of >this particular piece of reported discourse. Best, John Dillon The French version comes from Heisterbach who is its sole source. And, yes, there is every reason to doubt its authenticity. The other accounts (that were more contemporaneous) do not mention that Arnaud had any such role in the massacre. Sibly & Sibly have a very sensible discussion of the whole massacre in an appendix to their translation of Vaux-de-Cernay's History of the Albigensian Crusade, which is worth a gander. -- Nicole Morgan Schulman n.m.schulman <at> sympatico.ca _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Omittamus studia dulce est desipere et carpamus dulcia iuventutis tenere ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html