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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Jim will correct my errors here, so i'll soldier on. the major relic of the cathedral of Chartres was thought (by the middlevils) to be the _camisia_ of the Virgin, worn by her at an important event. though there are depictions of this relic which show it as being a "shirt" or nightgown (most notably on pilgrims' badges of the 13th and subsequent centuries), the great reliquary housing this was opened in 1712 and it was found to be a long, unarticulated strip of silk. about half of this piece survived the revolution (or so it is thought), along with a very interesting "envelope" of silk, bearing the image of a bird holding a chalice in its beak : http://centrechartraine.freeservers.com/voile/voile.html (apologies for the ads) one or both of these silks was/were determined to be Byzantine, 8th-9th(??) centuries in 1927 by the Fabric Museum in Lyon. here is a discussion of the relic and its pilgrimage by the learned canon of the cathedral, Yves Delaporte, in Baudrillard's DHGE http://centrechartraine.freeservers.com/voile/dghe-8v.html (note the wonderfully judicious language of Delaporte, when dealing with the prickly question of the relic's date : "L'étoffé, examinée en 1927 par M. d'Hennezel, conservateur du musée des tissus de la chambre de commerce de Lyon, peut remonter à l'époque à laquelle la tradition l'attribue.") best from here, christopher ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html