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HI, I agree that sticking to any theory rigidly is disastrous. This is why I support Counselling psychology , as this aims to be integrative, in order to fit the approach to the person rather than vies versa - Sarah. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bertha Mo" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: Re: person centered planning I hope this is not a distraction from the question. I was introduced to Carl Roger in college. As an 18 year old, his concepts intriqued me. However, I was too young and confused about the "white, upper middle class culture, priviledged culture " of a private college that I was in to know what I wanted. What would have been extremely helpful would have been some practicum which would have helped students "experience" what the different therapeutic approaches felt like and meant in our own life. As a proponent of Action Research, I have learned that the cycle of planning, action, reflection and adapation and planning, action...is really necesary to resolving most human problems. Taking any approach and interpreting it too rigidly is a formula for failure. Another thought regarding person centred planning... I just saw "Belonging", the film made by the Canadian philosopher and social activist, Jean Vanier. The group was quite diverse, both English, French and Cantonese/Mandarin speakers...acknowledged developmentally disabled and not acknowledged... Afterwards a new immigrant and Mandarin speaker said to me that she just realized that language and social unfamilarity was a disability which prevented her from feeling like she belonged..much less articulate what she needed or wanted. As part of the environment around this person, I realized that in a person centred approach, the onus is on me and others to find out how to communicate and interact in a way which would be helpful to her and not vise versa...but in reality what we expect is for this new person to adapt...which is totally opposite of a person centred approach...However, what would be real useful if both of us would be willing to change in the course of the interaction. Which is how an action research or action learning approach would have us do... Best, Bertie Mo, Ph.D., MPH --- Laurence Bathurst <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hello all > > I would like to hear more on the person centred > approach (which is a term I > recall from the late-eighties), as it applies to > people who, due to the > severity of intellectual impairment or cognitive > function, are not able to > articulate their needs with the same reflective and > prognostic apparatus > that many of us use to make informed choices about > how we would like things > to be. I am au fait with the principles but am more > interested in how such > needs or wants are determined without intervention > from advocates including > family and "professionals" being deemed as > interference, or projected > interpretation? > > > > > > Best regards > > Laurence Bathurst > School of Occupation and Leisure Sciences > Faculty of Health Sciences > University of Sydney > > PO Box 170 > Lidcombe NSW 1825 > Australia > > Please use home phone or mobile number > Home Ph: 61 2 9818 2050 > Mobile Ph: 0407 069 441 > > Email: [log in to unmask] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Supple" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: person centered planning > > > | John and all, again I see similarities here with > therapeutic practise. I > | believe that any good therapy, as with this person > centred approach should > | start with a relational focus. Any other resorces > can then be used within > a > | structure of equality and respect. However, any > framework is only as good > as > | those that implement it. Sarah. > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "homan" <[log in to unmask]> > | To: <[log in to unmask]> > | Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:56 PM > | Subject: Re: person centered planning > | > | > | Good morning all, > | > | Not being an academic I am somewhat bemused by the > focus on semantics, > | rather than what it ought to mean in real life. > | > | Amanda - my 34 year old intellectually disabled > daughter - has been a > great > | teacher. Not only in our relationship, but also by > extension, about the > core > | values that should guide all relationships. > | > | A respectful relationship is the non-negotiable > starting point. This is > not > | a natural state, like water running downhill, or > cups of tea getting cold, > | beer getting warm. It is a relationship that > demands energy to establish, > | and more energy to maintain: As Bob Cummings, a > cook I sailed with, used > to > | say: "You are only as good as your last meal". He > was consistently very > | good. > | > | A respectful relationship should then lead to a > partnership. The > foundations > | that all good and successful partnerships are > built on are equality, > | credibility and trust. It is critical here that > the partners see each > other > | as equal, and speak the same language. > | > | >From that basis the professional or enthusiastic > amateur can then act as > a > | facilitator, by enabling the disabled person to > share ownership in > decisions > | he or she is not capable to make on her/his own. > In all this the focus is > of > | course on meeting the disabled person's physical, > psychological and > | emotional needs. "We'll do it as a team" Amanda > would say. > | > | Rgds John > | > | now live in Emu Park. My new Phone number: 07 > 4938 8283. My snailmail > | address remains the same: J Homan - P.O. Box 1019 > - YEPPOON - 4703. My > Email > | address remains: [log in to unmask] > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: <[log in to unmask]> > | To: <[log in to unmask]> > | Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:29 AM > | Subject: person centered planning > | > | > | Subj: Re: person centered planning........... > | Date: 8/27/2003 12:13:56 PM Pacific Daylight > Time > | From: <A HREF="mailto:Sabinorose">Sabinorose</A> > | To: <A > HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> > | > | > | > | Hi! > | > | I agree with you, Sarah, that person-centered > therapy starts from such a > | position. However, it is my understanding that > most therapists are trained > | to use > | such Rogerian philosophy to undergird good > practice, no matter what model > | they actually employ. > | > | Unfortunately, this is not how the term is being > used in working with > | disabled people. I can't say that is how it is > everywhere, but from what I > | have > | observed, it is usually just a way to dress up the > same old medical model > | practices in seductive clothes. "Person centered" > has become a trendy > catch > | phrase > | for business leadership training, corporate > management training, > | rehabilitation > | professionals, and is often just thought of as a > way to provide a > different > | ambience to make the same old practices more > palatable, which, I feel, can > | be > | dangerous if a client is lulled into believing > that the professionals have > | the > | client as "expert," but, in reality, still impose > a hegemonic medical > model > | on > | them. > | > | Best, > | > | Beth > | > | Beth Omansky Gordon > | Ph.D. Candidate > | The University of Queensland > | Brisbane, Australia > | > | In a message dated 8/27/2003 3:58:58 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, > | [log in to unmask] writes: > | > | > Subj: Re: person centered planning........... > | > Date: 8/27/2003 3:58:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time > | > From: <A > HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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