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I would be very happy to get together to discuss this in more detail and it would be good if Lorna could join in too. It may be difficult to get Lorna involved in August. Were you thinking of attending either the EC SIG or the Assessment SIG in Glasgow on 27-28 August? If so we could set aside some time before or after to discuss the resource type vocabulary. However, the best place to discuss it might be at a Metadata SIG. I don't think a time and place have been set yet for the next meeting but Phil was talking about the end of August. Of course I am also happy to visit Newcastle as we could also cover intraLibrary that way. Charles Suzanne Hardy wrote: > Thanks for your comments Charles. As someone who was also present at the > first meeting I thank you for your comments with regard to the vocabulary > going out to wider discussion and possible incorporation into the UKCMF. > > We at LTSN-01 (and I hope I can speak for other subject centres too) > appreciate this type of joined up thinking and would welcome collaboration > with the UKCMF authors. > > Is there scope for a chance to get together to talk about this more? > > The only caveat I might have is that what we come up with in a wider context > might run the risk of being watered down so as to please a wider audience > (and then we could end up with something as bland as the LOM vocabulary), > but I agree wholeheartedly that discussion could be opened up. > > Further thoughts from others on this list and advice from CETIS (I have > copied Lorna Campbell into this message) would be fantastic! > > All the best > > Suzanne > > > On 8/7/03 2:21 pm, "Charles Duncan" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >>This learning resource type vocabulary is a big step forward and it is >>good to have a chance to comment on it. I cannot comment from the point >>of view of RDN/LTSN but I wonder if there is scope for wider agreement >>here - could this vocabulary also be agreed by UKCMF? For this to happen >>I suspect that it would need to tackle the granularity issues that are >>mentioned. Most of the terms proposed for RDN/LTSN are at a fairly high >>level of aggregation. I think this arises from the RDN/LTSN definition >>of a Learning Resource (compared with a Resource) but since there is >>only one field available in the metadata we need to be fairly tolerant >>of what can be described in that field. To also make this useful for >>UKCMF I would suggest (and these are my personal views only): >> >>The RDN Learning Resource Type Vocabulary (almost entirely), plus >>selected terms from the RDN/LTSN Educator Resource Type, and a subset of >>the RDN Resource Type (or current LOM Learning Resource Type) should all >>be merged into a single vocabulary that can be used for LOM 5.2 Learning >>ResourceType or dc:type. >> >>The actual terms to be agreed would probably need detailed discussion >>between those who created this RDN/LTSN vocabulary and the UKCMF team. >>But in the interests of starting a debate here is my suggestion. I have >>not included explanatory notes as they will not always be available and >>the terms themselves need to be meaningful and distinguishable to >>metadata creators. (I have kept the order from the RDN/LTSN list but I >>am not clear about the significance of order in this or any other (LOM) >>vocabulary.) >> >>CourseModuleUnit >>ResourcePack >>CaseStudy >>ActivityExercise >>Fieldwork >>Project >>SimulationModel >>StudyGuide >>ExaminationTest >>AssessmentItem >>LecturePresentation >>Glossary >>WorkedExample >>Textbook >>DemonstrationExperiment >>Tutorial >>ReadingList >>CurriculumSyllabus >>LessonPlan >>MovingImage >>Imagery >>NarrativeText >>DiagramFigure >>Graph >>Table >> >>Charles Duncan >> >>Andy Powell wrote: >> >>>For info... the message below describes the outcomes of some work done >>>jointly by the RDN and LTSN to develop a resource type vocabulary (for >>>use in RDN/LTSN partnership work and, hopefully, within the L&T Portal). >>> >>>Comments are welcome... either to the list or privately to me. >>> >>>Andy >>>-- >>>Distributed Systems, UKOLN, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK >>>http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ukoln/staff/a.powell +44 1225 383933 >>>Resource Discovery Network http://www.rdn.ac.uk/ >>> >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:55:25 +0100 >>>From: Andy Powell <[log in to unmask]> >>>To: [log in to unmask] >>>Subject: RDN/LTSN Resource Type Vocabularies >>> >>>On 3rd June a small group of RDNers and LTSNers met at KCL to discuss the >>>development of a vocabulary for resource types, to be used as part of the >>>RDN/LTSN LOM application profile. Notes of the meeting are available at >>> >>> >>>http://www.rdn.ac.uk/publications/rdn-ltsn-ap/types/rdn-ltsn-rtmeeting-notes. >>>doc >>> >>>It was agreed that the scope of meeting would include: >>> >>>- Developing a list of learning resource types (where "learning resource" >>> is defined to be "a resource with a specific pedagogic intent"). >>> >>>- Adding to the RDN Resource Type list as necessary (e.g. to cover >>> physical objects). >>> >>>- Aiming at flat list of approximately 25 terms. >>> >>>- While re-use of an existing list was acknowledged as being desirable in >>> theory, in practice it was felt that none of the available lists would >>> be sufficient. >>> >>>The resulting vocabularies are documented at >>> >>> http://www.rdn.ac.uk/publications/rdn-ltsn-ap/types/ >>> >>>Please take the next couple of weeks to look thru these lists and send any >>>comments/corrections/critisism (of the polite variety!) to this list - if >>>possible by the end of Fri 11th July. >>> >>>(My apologies to the other members of the group for taking far too long to >>>send this message to the list! :-(. I'll forward a copy of this message >>>to the cetis-metadata list for external comment.) >>> >>>Andy >>>-- >>>Distributed Systems, UKOLN, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK >>>http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ukoln/staff/a.powell +44 1225 383933 >>>Resource Discovery Network http://www.rdn.ac.uk/ >> >> >>-- >>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>Intrallect Ltd [log in to unmask] >>Brahead Business Park Tel: +44 (0)870 234 3933 >>Braehead Road Fax: +44 (0)1506 50 5117 >>Linlithgow, EH49 6EP, Scotland http://www.intrallect.com/ >> > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Intrallect Ltd [log in to unmask] Braehead Business Park Tel: +44 (0)870 234 3933 Braehead Road Fax: +44 (0)1506 50 5117 Linlithgow, EH49 6EP, Scotland http://www.intrallect.com/