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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture For a guess, beheading would be a more respectable fate (like the execution of a noble) than being burned as a heretic. Tom Izbicki At 03:59 PM 5/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > > > It is hypothesized that she > > was raped, and for that reason she broke the > > conditions of her recantation by putting on male > > attire again (this seemed to be what drove church > > authorities over the edge) and then was burned by the > > French, as someone else correctly pointed out. The > > "rape" suggestion is bolstered by her statement: This > > would not have happened if you had put me in a church > > prison. > >According to Jean Toutmouille, who was one of the two Dominicans who >informed Joan that she was to be burned that morning, what Joan said >was "Alas! that they treat me so horribly and cruelly that my body, clean >and whole, which was never corrupted, should be today consumed and reduced >to ashes! Ah! I would prefer to be beheaded seven times that to be burned >like that! Alas! if I had been in an ecclesiastical prison to which I >submitted myself, and if I had been guarded by men of the church, not be >enemies and adversaries, it would not have turned out for me as miserably >as it has. Ah! I protest before God, the Great Judge, the great wrongs and >grievances that they have done me" (from R. Pernoud and M-V Clin, Joan of >Arc, rev. and trans. J.D. Adams, N.Y. 1998, 133-4). > >There may have been attempted rape, but Joan would surely not have spoken >so if it had succeeded. > > > > >********************************************************************** >To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >to: [log in to unmask] >To send a message to the list, address it to: >[log in to unmask] >To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >to: [log in to unmask] >In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: >[log in to unmask] >For further information, visit our web site: >http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html Thomas M. Izbicki Collection Development Coordinator Eisenhower Library Johns Hopkins University 3400 N. Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Telephone: 410-516-7173 Fax: 410-516-8399 ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html