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From: Fiona Wallace <[log in to unmask]> When you say 'middle grade', Adrian, do I hear the echo 'staff grade'? Certainly seems that the registrars are less and less likely to have any commitment beyond 5, or at best, 10pm. --> ??? Huh ??? I think you will find that SpRs are very frequently busy with "antisocial" work. This is especially so since recent target-based-medicine put even more pressure on departments to make the efficiency moves which require middle-grade or senior input. Many SpRs are on schedules which place them on the shop floor outside the 8-5pm weekday hours on more than 50% of their hours. Even as much as over 60% anti-social patterns are not rare and there are severe subsequent effects on training and, through various reasons, less time when SpRs can work alongside their trainer consultants. This is despite moves for consultants to be around more out of hours. Not that Staff Grade doctors are spared this... _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger