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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Richard, I think that the key to Hargreaves's point is one of universal and absolute prohibition. Presumably the action of the council of Toulouse was limited geographically and probably also temporally, as it was produced during the time of the repression of the Cathars in Languedoc. But I am certainly no authority on this subject. Steve As in most cases, the issue has nuances. >>In the section on "The Wycliffite Versions" in The Cambridge History of >>the Bible, vol. 2, Henry Hargreaves writes, "But despite such general >>objections [to the use of vernacular scriptures], no universal and >>absolute prohibition of the translation of the Scriptures into the >>vernacular nor of the use of such translations by clergy and laity was >>ever issued by any council of the Church or by any pope. ... > >i'm confused. i presume HH is aware of the following text. is this not a >church council? > > >"Lay people shall not have books of scripture, except the psalter and the >divine office: and they shall not have these books in the vulgar >tongue. Moreover we prohibit that lay people should be permitted to have >books of the Old or New Testament, except perchance any should wish from >devotion to have a psalter, or a breviary for the divine office, or the >hours of the blessed Virgin: but we most strictly prohibit their having >even the aforesaid books translated into the vulgar tongue." > > Canons of 1229 Council of Toulouse, # 14; Mansi XXIII, 197 ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html