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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture My vague recollections of the controversy involving John XXII in the fourteenth century is that the Beatific Vision is not to be granted until the last judgment. The Pope wrote a book on the subject and, as I recall, was accused of heresy because he claimed that the blessed would see God immediately. Jo Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [M-R] Day and Hour of my Death > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > "In a fifteenth-century Book of Hours (Bibliogh'eque Nationale de France, MS lat 1400) > > the user is informed "Quicumque dixerit aut super se portavit hanc orationem sciet horam > > sue et videbit virginem Mariam antequam moriatur ..." another from 1380 apparently > > says nothing about the appearing of the Virgin. > > > > My first question is: does any other similar occurrence come to mind during > > the second half of the 14th cent.? (Or even earlier). > > Shortly after 1400 is it referred to as a miracle that had occurred "many" > > times, among these before an unnamed abbess (in a source in Flemish). > > Weren't confessor saints supposed to be granted a vision of the > godhead at their death? This is just a vague recollection, and I may > well be wrong . I'm sure someone on this list will be able to either > correct me or expand appropriately, but it seems a related > phenomenon. > Cheers, > Jim Bugslag. > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html