Sorry, Frederick, but I don't get this at all, you've just reproduced Alison's post without any comment. If I can explain my own position, as Alison is, I am anti-war, her viewpoint isn't that of a pacifist but mine is, or is close to that, it partly stems from my former involvement with the Quakers, and, yes, I know the arguments against pacifism. But I have a deep revulsion against violence, even though I'm capable of joking about it at times, Alison has given a great deal of time and energy to the anti-war cause and put herself, in a sense, at risk for publicly expounding her views. Now I know you don't agree with them but I think she deserves respect for the sincerity with which she holds them. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm