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On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 02:19, Henry Gould wrote: > I agree with you on all these points, Frederick. The threat of Bush policy > toward civil liberties & social justice is very real. But, contra the loud > left, I don't see a seamless web of conspiracy which consigns any & all US > foreign policy to "bad". Henry and Frederick, Thanks for posting your arguments in support of the war. I was looking for reasoned arguments such as these. I did quickly read that Jose Ramos Horta of East Timor was making a similar argument that the war was justified if it liberated the people of Iraq but I haven't followed this up. Civil liberties and social justice in the US are a concern I had also, based on documents I read from the US Department of Defense on what they call Fourth Generation Warfare. What I wanted to ask also is how much currency this Pax Americana conspiracy theory I have come across has. In Marxist theory there is no capitalist conspiracy and to say so would be inconsistent with historical materialism. I have pasted below an excerpt of some of that conspiracy theory which elsewhere also links into occult practices such as human sacrifices (which I found interesting as I came across a similar conspiracy theory linking the Nazis to secret occult practices in the 1920s.) I have been looking for conspiracy theories to do an analysis of and this one sounds like it may fit my needs, which is why I ask. (I am suspicious that the writers may well be in the pay of the CIA, given the way such theories work against themselves... if you follow my joking tone, here.) Anyways, thanks again and below is just an excerpt of what I have found. Chris Jones. From: http://truthout.org/docs_03/022803A.shtml Blood Money By William Rivers Pitt t r u t h o u t | Perspective The Project for the New American Century seeks to establish what they call 'Pax Americana' across the globe. Essentially, their goal is to transform America, the sole remaining superpower, into a planetary empire by force of arms. A report released by PNAC in September of 2000 entitled 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' codifies this plan, which requires a massive increase in defense spending and the fighting of several major theater wars in order to establish American dominance. The first has been achieved in Bush's new budget plan, which calls for the exact dollar amount to be spent on defense that was requested by PNAC in 2000. Arrangements are underway for the fighting of the wars. The men from PNAC are in a perfect position to see their foreign policy schemes, hatched in 1997, brought into reality. They control the White House, the Pentagon and Defense Department, by way of this the armed forces and intelligence communities, and have at their feet a Republican-dominated Congress that will rubber-stamp virtually everything on their wish list. The first step towards the establishment of this Pax Americana is, and has always been, the removal of Saddam Hussein and the establishment of an American protectorate in Iraq. The purpose of this is threefold: 1) To acquire control of the oilheads so as to fund the entire enterprise; 2) To fire a warning shot across the bows of every leader in the Middle East; 3) To establish in Iraq a military staging area for the eventual invasion and overthrow of several Middle Eastern regimes, including some that are allies of the United States.