Hi Chris, Thanks for the interesting post, and, yes, I do think that last quote particularly does resonate with the preceding threads on nostalgia and pastoral among others. I went to this link you gave and couldn't find the Anna Gibbs paper on anguish, I may be blind since I have a headache, though I did find an article by her in the archives Contagious Feelings: Pauline Hanson and the Epidemiology of Affect which was interesting too, with its discussion of affective contagion. I copied out these two quotes: We might say, then, that the media act as vectors in affective epidemics in which something else is also smuggled along: the attitudes and even the specific ideas which tend to accompany affect in any given situation. In the context of affect contagion, Hanson's very inarticulacy was efficacious, at least insofar as it functioned as an immediate manifestation of distress rather than simply as a sign for it. which seem apt to other political situations than the one discussed. Especially that idea of inarticulacy as efficacious and I would guess, via media, acting as a kind of vector for an affective epidemic, and how what is conveyed is that sense of "having had enough" which is communicated all the more affectively/effectively byvirtue of being inarticulate. Anyway, if you could give me a hint as to finding the article on anguish, I'd be glad to read it! Best, Rebecca Rebecca Seiferle www.thedrunkenboat.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jones <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Dec 9, 2003 12:45 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Media and control On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 20:51, Christine Murray wrote: > I find your comments on this and the referral to Tomkins intriguing. I will > look into this further. Chris, There is a research group doing this research called: Affect-Image-Media Research Group, School of Communication, Design and Media, University of Western Sydney, run by Dr Anna Gibbs and Dr Virginia Nightingale. Anna has a paper on anguish available online at Australian Humanities Review: http://www.lib.latrobe.edu.au/AHR/ Anna introduced me to Tomkins and I am thinking of doing a research doctorate affiliated with the research group. Anna is currently madly writing a paper on horror and media images and Virginia is working on something along these lines as well, both which I look forward to reading since horror and media images and Gothic fiction is my area. I started out working on a series of popular Gothic novels just to make money since I wanted to get out of working full time and working in the HIV/AIDS area with injecting drug users is also a good way to destroy a career treadmill in publishing. But this project became something else again so I decided to link the novels with post-grad research degrees so I could avail myself of the wonderful resources universities offer. Other then that I am also left completely alone to do what I wish without interference which is a dream run so far as I am concerned. (I think of the extra letters which get added to the letters after my name as part of the royalty payments for the novels, as well.) A strange time be a poet and the things we do to get around this, like become novelists as well and then willingly immerse ourselves in an academic institutional setting in order to survive and write when popular myth would have the academy as enemy of the poet. Anyway, I don't want to draw you into a discussion, it is just you were the unfortunate one who pressed the right button. A few additions to my last post which may be of interest to the list. * * * The only Tomkins I have at the moment is _Shame and its sisters_ (ed Sedgwick and Frank, Duke 1995.) I am trying to save up for the four volume edition of Tomkins but may need a rich benefactor for this. A quote: ...shame is an experience of the self by the self. At that moment when the self feels ashamed, it is felt as a sickness within the self. Shame is the most reflexive of affects in that the phenomenological distinction between the subject and object of shame is lost. Why is shame so close to the experienced self? It is because the self lives in the face, and within the face the self burns brightest in the eyes. Shame turns the attention of the self and others away from other objects to this most visible residence of self, increases its visibility, and thereby generates the torment of self consciousness. (Page 136 of above citation.) There is so much just in this short quote I don't know where to start. There is an obvious Kantian resonance to begin with which if followed through reconfigures the Kantian Sublime and breaks Kantian logic so that it appears that rather then the Kantian empty form of time, time is a broken form. A question of form is posed. More interestingly is the break with the Cartesian cognito. The "I think therefore I am" is itself lost as the dualism is torn apart from the inside. No longer is there an horizon which directs the self as subject but a flat Earth on the absolute horizon where the impossible becomes possible. Transitives are broken... so much for Aristotle. This is a completely new type of statement which appears at the same time, the 1960s, as Foucault is able to make the new kind of statement about statements in the _Archeology of Knowledge_. These are not statements made by individuals at different times but a collective non-human agency in which the statement itself is produced immanently. To give Tomkins a transcendental reading is to read a chillingly anti-human Tomkins and I think of Dante's Hell. Yet Tomkins is profoundly human. Two narratives, an anti-human narrative and a human narrative and in between a fundamental appearing of novelty. The face is also a landscape. A moment is an angular (torsional) force vector outside the space of the landscape yet inside landscape which is created as space as a landscape event where the event does not occur in space but creates space in time so that the landscape comes with space as a face... I won't go on... should be doing other things. Another quick quote: Self-consciousness is heightened by virtue of the unwillingness of the self to renounce the object. In this respect it is not unlike mourning, in which I become exquisitely aware of the self just because I will not surrender the love object which must be surrendered. (Page 138.) Does this resonate with the past discussion on nostalgia and pastoral? best wishes Chris Jones. -- Common sense tells us that that poetry and philosophy are modes of discourse that should be kept distinct: to couple such power of seduction with such authority is to tempt fate itself. Hence the urge to protect, as the most pressing of moral imperatives, this borderline between both modes of discourse. Paul deMann