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Hi Anny >hi david, poor are poor and that's how they will be forever< well, not really, some poor people make it through and become relatively or even extremely wealthy, for instance. Your phrase has echoes of the Biblical 'the poor shall always be with ye' which, despite my tendencies to pessimism, I do not accept as a necessary truth. But what I was talking about was the leaning towards domination in human relationships, which happens across the divides of class, wealth, gender, etc etc. Sorry about any delays in this response, but in my new-found status as The Prisoner of Poetry Etc I can't reply in real-time front-channel even if I want to. When I set out writing I always imagined literature as a place of innocence, I never realised just how much goes on behind the scenes, that's why I keep thinking about abandoning poetry altogether, I had no idea what it's really like, I was naive enough to think that all that mattered was whether you write well or not, I realise now it isn't so, not that I'm saying that all established poets are crap, some are extremely good, but what goes on, well, I dunno ..... Best Dave