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Dear Norm, Good post. You say, "Design learning can be seen as an interaction and manipulative interplay between persons, materials, objects, our conceptions and the responses they elicit...at another level this activity may be seen as an enmeshment within the relations which constitute the whole of a being-in-the-world...this view presents design as elemental to human sapience as a continual (albeit inhibited & interrupted in some societies) cognitive tradition undivided from the world...an enmeshment within the relational knowledge of the world." Just wondering why 'design learning' . Seems to me that what you are describing in this and your second paragraph is the same as what is normally meant by 'learning' - the ordinary sort that is learnt in order to do something with it. Seems a bit odd to need to prefix it with 'design'? I welcome your thoughts. Cheers, Terry