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Susan Hagan mentions David Durling mentioning others mentioning: "I was also concerned with another problem Dr. Durling brought up. He mentions, '...the areas that are left out of the UCI proposal. One or two respondents mentioned, for example, visual communications and graphic design. I do not see these as different from design.'" so I'll mention it, too. I've been curious if any of the UCI folk would be willing to comment beyond the earlier mention of avoiding competition with their school of fine art. UCI doesn't have a graphic design program but here in the US mentioning design at a university almost universally implies -graphic- design. The vast majority of programs calling themselves "design" (with the vast majority of students) are in graphic design (with variations of multimedia design, when separated from graphic design, coming in next.) It seems like considering graphic design as part of design brings up a range of questions about the nature of design (and about how much design there is in graphic design, as a friend of mine puts it.) Given the ubiquity of graphic design in American design education, I find it hard to believe that the discussion was purely a brief consideration of the avoidance of academic turf wars. Can you fill us in on other considerations for the lack of vis comm/g.d. in the plan? Gunnar ---- Gunnar Swanson Design Office 536 South Catalina Street Ventura, California 93001-3625 USA +1 805 667 2200 http://www.gunnarswanson.com