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This is not UCI related, but this link really got me thinking as to where design fits in the scheme of things. http://www.monochrom.at/tuerme-von-hanoi/index.htm The value added parasitic cost of these transactions might parallel some acts of design. Is there more value in the apparatus of the design 'community' than in what it achieves? Glenn Johnson Head of Industrial Design B/E Aerospace Inc. Tel. (1) 336 744 3143 Fax. (1) 336 744 3207 Cell (1) 336 287 0053