Lorraine, I appreciate your response as it has been 10 years since I have been in the States. As you can appreciate from my post I view this issue of ethics as crucial partly because I see it as connected to the maturing of any profession. Further it is not just the articulation of an industry standard by industry groups but also the way in which novices are invited into the discussion and the thinking to develop an articulation and application of their own personalised code of standards. If the US schools are doing this then "good on them". I took a look at the NASAD and IDSA websites as you suggested. I was cheered particularly by the IDSA mainstreaming of eco-issues. I hope the subtleties and expansion of these necessary discussions will continue to escalate and eventuate in actions which substantially decrease threats to the global eco-system as well as increase the viability of mainstream and marginalised social systems. Jan Jan Coker C3-10 Underdale Campus University of South Australia +61 8 8302 6919 "There is no way to peace, peace is the way" Gandhi