Hi All Further to my first mail, on one of my trips I recorded the old Whim at White's Well, on Old Boolcomatta Station [Sheep] N.E South Australia, near the S.A Border with NSW. The whim had fallen down helped by the termites [White Ants] but every thing was still there so I did a detailed plan of the site, and whim, the well was in the area of 100 feet deep. If of interest to anyone, I can help with a copy of the above, by snail mail. Take Care. Roger B Bradford, Of Elizabeth, South Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Waterhouse <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Date: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: horse winding >This is extremely interesting, as farm horse whims in rural south Devon often included a horse-shoe shaped yoke which could revolve on the driving arm of the whim. I bet there is a connection, with either emigrant miners or farmers, but as its a vernacular type of feature, there probably won't be any written descriptions of the time (probably late 18th-19th century) when the idea was possibly being exported. Why a horse driving an apple crusher or threshing machine needed to be reversed I have no idea, unless it was necessary when the machine jammed. I would have thought they just reversed the horse though, especially as they used blinkers to ensure it went on a regular trajectory! > >Robert Waterhouse, Ashburton, South Devon >> >> From: Roger Baden Bradford <[log in to unmask]> >> Date: Thu 12/Jun/2003 07:55 GMT >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: horse winding >> >> Hi Listers >> With all the Whims I have come across in the Australian Bush, one thing is >> quite clear- the 'U' shaped yoke within which the horse is harnesed is quite >> free to rotate, so it is quite possible that idear was imported from the old >> country, possibly by the Cornish Miners?? >> Hope this helps. >> Take Care. >> Roger B Bradford, Of Elizabeth, South Australia. >> Ps Ex Hon' Project Officer for the S.A National Trust At Moonta Mines. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ian Forbes <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:14 AM >> Subject: Re: horse winding >> >> >> >Dear list >> > >> >A friend has asked me to post the following query, about horse winding >> >underground. A horse whim was a simple and often crude structure, where >> >the only method of reversing the winding was to turn the horse(s) round, so >> >they walked in the opposite direction. The action of turning the horse >> >around must have needed considerable extra space beyond the diameter of the >> >horse circle. This would be no problem where the whim was at the surface, >> >but for winding from an underground station with a horse, space was clearly >> >at a premium - and would have cost money to make the winding chamber larger >> >than was strictly necessary to accommodate the horse circle. >> >So, the question is - has anyone ever come across any evidence (in situ or >> >documentary) of a gearing mechanism on a horse winder underground used to >> >reverse the direction of winding without turning the horse around? And if >> >so, how exactly did it work? >> >Ian >> > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ > >Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.