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I was taught to do this procedure in my training in 1996, in New Zealand. After several discussions with experienced midwives and myself witnessing the "stunned" babies it produces I prefer not to clamp and cut before delivery, the cord unravels just fine in most cases. I did have one waterbirth where the cord was so long it was actually around neck (tightly), shoulders and body and quite impossible to untangle underwater, there wasnt enough cord to keep baby out of the water while I was doing it and eventually my helper untangled while I held baby up. Rather fraught.......but good outcome. I too will be watching this discussion with interest. Cyd Welsh Independent Midwife Wanganui New Zealand [log in to unmask] http://www.greyflyte.homestead.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Murray" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:40 AM Subject: Re: Help and advice > Hi > I was interested to see this topic being discussed on the list > and debated it with some colleagues. Certainly within Northern > Ireland it would be normal practice to check for cord and if it > was percieved to be tight it would be clamped and cut prior > to delivery of the shoulders. This is the way I would have been > taught as a student and the students would continue to recieve > this intruction in the clinical area. I will follow the > discussion with interest. > > ---------------------- > Karen Murray >