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Hi, We now have our access restored to Parliamentary Affairs through ingenta. The problem appears to be due to the subscription files from OUP not containing 2002 and 2003 subscription information for that title. Although it might have seemed a minor irriration to have not had complete access to that title, my question is how many other of our subscriptions are in that category? Should we have to annually validate our subscription information on ingenta to make sure that the latest subscription data they receive from publishers is accurate? Time and time again the subscription data from publishers doesn't seem to be of sufficient quality or in the correct format for our subscriptions to be set up on ingenta accurately. If that information was correct we shouldn't have to be doing all this work making sure our subscriptions are active from year to year. If a publisher takes over a new journal one should expect that the subscription data going to ingenta should automatically give us access to that journal. True ingenta/ingenta select provide the means for us to set up our access to titles, but surely that is an extra precaution, we really shouldn't be having to do all this work if the data publishers were sending to ingenta was accurate in the first place, but then we all know it isn't!! If you've ever asked to see a list of your subscriptions from a publisher, you will find that in certain cases they are a long way away from being accurate. Spelling mistakes and other "noise" on publishers databases can lead to your subscriptions being scattered all over the place. It can take a long time to get this information accurate. I am using Sage as an example here because it's one I spent a lot of time sorting out recently, I have had the same experience below with many other publishers. I recently asked for a list of our subscriptions from Sage. This enabled me to identify several titles which were either new subscriptions of ours or which Sage had recently taken over from other publishers. I then checked our access to these titles on ingenta and found that we had access to hardly any of these titles. After a lot of liaison between myself and Sage, and myself and ingenta we finally have got our access sorted to all our subscribed titles, but for how long, will I need to do this every year? This suggests that the data being sent to ingenta does not enable accurate matching up of institutions and their subscriptions, which is why we all have to spend so much time papering over the cracks. Is it not about time that this problem was got to grips with? Cheers Lesley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lesley Crawshaw, Faculty Information Consultant, Learning and Information Services, University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield, AL10 9AB UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ e-mail: [log in to unmask] phone: 01707 284662 fax: 01707 284666 web: http://www.herts.ac.uk/lis/subjects/natsci/ejournal/ list owner: [log in to unmask] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Terry Bucknell Sent: 07 October 2003 10:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Problems with accessing an OUP journal, Parliamentary Affairs through ingenta Mieko et al, My understanding of Lesley's first query is that OUP journal contents is loaded onto Ingenta(Select)'s servers, not just referred through to OUP's servers (i.e. different to the situation with ScienceDirect) so you separately need to activate access at Ingenta(Select), as well as at the OUP site. If our subscriptions to any publisher's journals entitle us to online access at more than one host, then I think that we should try to activate access at all of them. Say we only chose to activate access to OUP's journals at OUP's sites, and linked to those from our catalogue. What about users who find a paper in one of our subscribed OUP journals at Ingenta(Select) by searching Ingenta(Select), Google, or a bibliographic database? What we could do with is automatic communication between publishers and hosts, so that when you set up access at one site, access is enabled at all sites to which your subscription entitles you - an OpenActivate protocol! We try to activate access at all available sites, but usually only link to one from our catalogue to make the collation of usage stats easier. But I dare say there are many journals where we have overlooked activating access at all sites - until one of our users uncovers a problem at our 'chosen' site. Terry Bucknell Electronic Resources Manager Harold Cohen Library University of Liverpool PO Box 123 Liverpool L69 3DA Tel: +44 (0)151 794 5408 Fax: +44 (0)151 794 5417 Email: [log in to unmask] --On 06 October 2003 17:29 +0100 Mieko Yamaguchi <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Under "Full text access", "Information for libraries" on the BIDS web > site, I found the following. > > "Several BIDS bibliographic databases (IBSS, RSC), are linked to > ingentaJournals." > > So the next question is can you access the OUP journal article in > question via the ingentajouranls site? > > I tried a couple of links from IBSS to OUP journal articles and was > able to view PDF files. The journals I tried were Parliamentary > Affairs and European Sociological Reviews. > > I don't think it's a matter of paying for the same title twice, but > I'm not sure why we need to arrange that titles from publishers such > as OUP and ScienceDirect are also accessible from ingenta when they > can be accessed directly. > > We have always preferred to provide direct links to the publishers' > site for electronic journals. "Closed" full text links such as IBSS > to ingentajournals are often problematic as we don't know what's going > on behind the scene. > > Ingentajournals is OpenURL compliant, so if you have a link resolver > you should be able to link to articles from A&I databases. In order > for linking to work the origin (in this case IBSS) must also be > OpenURL c ompliant. As far as I can tell BIDS IBSS is not. > > If we are prepared to pay to access IBSS via CSA (which is OpenURL > compliant) we can probably link from IBSS to ingentajournals without > having to depend on BIDS's own linking mechanism and authentication, > but I have digressed from your original question! > > Mieko > > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Lesley Crawshaw wrote: > >> One of the students was doing a search on IBSS (International >> Bibliography of the Social Sciences) on BIDS, which provides some >> links to full text journals. She had found a good reference to an >> article in Parliamentary Affairs, an OUP title, but when we tried to >> access the full text she was told by ingenta that "we were not >> recognised as a subscriber of this journal, but could pay to view the >> full text. >> >> Now, not only do we have a subscription to this journal, we also have >> a deal for 2003 to access almost all of OUP journals. So why are we >> being refused access? We can access the full text of this article >> through the Highwire site where this title is located, but we can't >> access the full text of this title on ingenta. I thought that with >> OUP titles on ingenta that the authentication for access was carried >> out at the OUP site, as is the case with titles on ScienceDirect, so >> why are we being refused access? Should we really be expected to pay >> twice for what we have already paid for? > > -- > Mieko Yamaguchi | Email: [log in to unmask] > Tech Services Manager/System Coordinator | Phone: +44 (0)1248 382970 > University of Wales Bangor | Fax: +44 (0)1248 382979