Hi there

 

Can I muddy the water even further, and ask if the answer re question 3 (when does the qualifying period begin?) pertains also to Route A candidates? I registered retrospectively on Route A in December, having been in a professional post for 4 months, and although I asked CILIP to backdate the registration to September, when my acknowledgement came through, it was backdated by a week. Should I have been able to register with effect from when I took up my post in September?

 

Any advice appreciated

Alana

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brocklehurst, Melanie [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 15 April 2003 11:20
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Questions re Route B

 

Thanks for this Marion, I'm sure it has helped answer a lot of questions.  I have one issue though, relating to Molly's question 2, and your reply:

"2.  If you tick the box that says "tick here if you want feedback on your
>plan" what do you get back?

        If you use the template Board members return comments in the column headed "Board comment". If you submit in a different format they will attach comments in the most appropriate manner."

I used the CILIP template, and I ticked the box, but all I got back from the "Board" was a very brief letter from one of the admin assistants in the Membership dept with 2 extremely broad comments, one for each section.  There was no detail, and my PPDP returned with annotated comments would have been very helpful.  I'm quite happily trundling along, and just assumed that my PPDP was therefore OK - should I have received anything more? 

Melanie

-----Original Message-----
From: Marion Huckle [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 15 April 2003 11:05
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Questions re Route B

 

Colleagues

I have taken the liberty of sending a message to the list as rather than a personal reply to Cathy and Molly.  They have asked questions that do not contain personal details and I imagine are likely to be of interest to a larger group.  I have inserted replieds into the message string.

I have used direct quotes from the handbook with additional comments that I hope will clarify these issues.  Can I also say that the Qualifications Team ([log in to unmask]) are always happy to deal with candidates and anyone interested in chartering direct.  Please don't feel embarrassed about asking questions about what you feel are fairly straightforward matters of procedure or fact - if you have not been able to find the answer we are here to help!

Marion Huckle
Head of Membership, Careers and Qualifications
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cathy [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 14 April 2003 21:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Questions re Route B

 

These are points I have been wondering about too, could I add a question to
Molly's list:

What happens if you are being seconded on a temporary basis to a
professional post and you base you PPDP (Route B) on that post but then go
back to your substantive non-professional post?

        Guidance Notes 9.1 PPDPs"  The PPDP should be amended as and when changes occur in        candidates work circumstances".  The challenge in this situation is to ensure that you try     to keep your professional awareness and personal development up-to-date by whatever means   you can when your workplace access to training and development activities may be reduced.          Do bear in mind that Board members are well aware that opportunities vary "and will take     account of different experiences when assessing applications".

Many thanks

Cathy

 

At 17:50 14/04/2003 +0100, Molly\" \"Magee wrote:
>Hi All
>
>I was about to send a letter to CILIP to ask the following questions, but I
>was wondering if anyone could offer some advice on the following points,
>before I put anything in writing.  I apologise in advance for the length of
>this message!
>
>1.  When you submit your PPDP to CILIP, are you then notified by them that
>the plan has been approved prior to you commencing the training?

        Unlike Route A your PPDP does not have to be formally approved for you to register on Route    B.  Many candidates may have qualified for Route B prior to submitting a plan.  

>
>2.  If you tick the box that says "tick here if you want feedback on your
>plan" what do you get back?

        If you use the template Board members return comments in the column headed "Board comment".         If you submit in a different format they will attach comments in the most appropriate         manner.

>
>3.  When does the qualifying period begin?  Is it the date you graduated,
>or took up a professional post, or is it the date you registered on your
>chosen Route?  (I graduated July '02 and have been in the same post for 5
>years - non-professional)

        For newly registering candidates currently completing an LIS course the qualifying period       can start during the dissertation phase or the level 3 study of either a Masters or a        Bachelors degree. For those who are registering retrospectively the qualifying period       starts once you have gained your academic qualification and have a relevant full-time or     part-time post.

>
>4.  Do you have to submit the RegB form and the PPDP together or can they
>go in separately?  If separately - what is the deadline for submission?

        They can be submitted separately - if it is submitted after registration it will contain a  retrospective element.  Some candidates will have completed the whole of the qualifying         period for Route B before they register and must include PPDPs in their portfolio of       evidence.  (See the guidance notes 9 Route B Para 4)

>
>5.  This is a bit long-winded but here goes...If you are doing your Route B
>training based on the Route A template and 1 year into the training you get
>a professional post and decide to move to Route A, do you then have to do
>the whole year of Route A, or would the work you have already done be taken
>into account?

        Candidates can transfer between Route B and Route A.  Staff in the department will discuss         individual cases with candidates to help them decide the best way forward.  Broadly Route A   qualifying service on a formal training programme can be transferred to Route B qualifying      service but Route B candidates who transfer to Route A are not exempt from the one-year       full-time qualifying period.  However, candidates in the position outlined by Molly may      well find that they can benefit time wise by following their employers Route A scheme        without formally transferring to Route A and make their won decision about when they are         ready to submit.

>
>I'm sorry there are so many questions, but no-one in my organisation has
>ever done Route B and my mentor and line manager have asked me to clarify
>these points.
>
>Any advice at all is much appreciated.
>
>Molly
>
Cathy Achour
Information Officer
St. Albans Campus LRC
01707-286241