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this may sound stupid,
but the way it works for me
i think
sorry
is that there is a continuous unconscious program of violence
running in the back of my mind
imprinted there by certain pieces of brain matter spattered about, or a human being twelve feet long after being cut surically in half by an m-60 machine gun.
now i worked very hard for thrity years to repress all that
using booze
drugs
sex
but not movies
rambo brought those programs out and put them on the screen for me
so i could think the unthinkable
kb does the same
although it is not thinking
far too gratuituous a word for me.
much closer to some kind of visceal scream that stays constipated.
 
every time i come out of a violent movie i feel more violent.
and somehow safely manage to work it out
without killing anybody
or even harming a flea
all those thirty years i repressed
i took it out on myself and others in very destructive forms of behavior.
 
for me, the work has been to make the unconscioius conscious.
 
kb et does that graphically for me, as does the genre in general.
but even more so...the patina of artistic sheen added to such works as quentins's...somehow allows me to honor the very vehicle....to value death...to free it from of the closet of western repression...and face the bare fact of my own worm ridden demise...
and recognize that all our palty daily activities...are really mere efforts to deny the finality of our existence.
 
  the west works hard to cover death. 
the east to uncover it.  and then integrate, culturally, the incubus, in a much more holistitic fashion, imho.
 
i hope this helps.  i had best shut up 
before my alligator mouth overloads my humming bird ass.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Mike Frank
To: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: NAM VET thinking the unthinkable [was KILL BILL]


i feel like one of those  poe narrators who begins his
story with the assertion "i am, as everyone knows, the
most mild mannered of men" and then goes on to
prove that he's  a class A maniac

i usually maintain an even keel in reading these responses
and can see where a variety of opinions come from and
what validity they might have . . . so  i surprised myself by
becoming really angry at martha's latest message, especially
when i so much admire the quarter from which it comes

then it occurred to me that perhaps what we have here is
a failure to communicate on a simple lexical level . . . the
specific question at hand is whether horror [or perhaps
we should say "good" horror because presumably not all
horror works this way] allows its audience to think the
unthinkable . . . and it seems to me that we should reserve
the word "think" in this context to  that which takes place
in what martha calls  "cramped barriers of ordinary language and
logic" . . . i have no doubt that there are important spaces
that are not enclosed by these barriers --perhaps the most
important spaces lie outside these barriers . . . but please,
please let's save the word "think" for what goes on inside
these barriers -- just so we can understand each other

similarly, while i'm not at all sure that saying things obliquely
is "the foundation principle of poetry and all art" i'm pretty well
convinced that the issue here is not whether art expresses
the unspeakable obliquely but whether that oblique
expression allows most viewers to then think the unthinkable

finally -- and here i think the argument is substantive rather
than merely terminological -- i'm baffled by the claim that
"David . . . Lynch's movies are certainly examples of a poet who
permits us to keep our sanity by thinking the unthinkable in the
largest sense" . . . i've been thinking, or trying to think about,
and teaching lynch films since i first saw BLUE VELVET and
more and more the only thing they allow me to conclude
is that he's a self-indulgent poseur

none of this is to deny the validity of what robert andrew
says; if he claims that seeing KB allowed him to free himself
of some dangerous demons i take that as a matter of fact
. . . having never been trained to fight, much less in anything
as nasty as nam, i cannot possibly know what such films do
to him, or to other members of the audience for that matter

but if films like these allow us to THINK the unthinkable then i
would like someone to explain what this thinking is, and
how it works

mike

PS-- i feel defensive enough to add that i remain someone
who "enjoys" much horror -- if choosing to see something
is some indication of "enjoyment" . . . it's not the value of
horror that's being argued; it's the idea that horror allows
a special kind of insight