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This whole issue is extremely problematic because it assumes that there are two easily defined categories of narration--reliable and unreliable. This distinction, if one were to deconstruct it, assumes that reliability depends on veracity, on the validity of some facts, while things can be assumed to be unreliable if the facts prove wrong. But how reliable is any scene or even shot in a film. What if the music contradicts the tone of the image--the music is happy and bouncy while the image is that of a depressed tired man. Does that mean that the music is mocking the character,  that some narrative-consciousness is forcing us through some image-sound montage contrast to disregard the pain of the character? Which is the reliable fact here--that the man is sad or that his sdaness is not genuine, mocked by the narrator. 
      The choice of any shot, which then leaves out alternative shots or angles, renders the image unreliable. The choice of shots, close-ups, camera movements, are all made by an external controling narrator, one that wants us to see the story in a particular way, that shapes our understanding of events, that moves the camera or skips across time.  It seems then that all narration is essentially, by its very nature, by the very fact that some facts are included while others are not, all facts are unreliable.
     It seems that there is really no way of assessing the reliability of shot, image or sequence. Reliability  is a very unreliable concept.   Ron
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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Unreliable Narrators in Film . . . ooops


 >>We were deceived into believing that Marian was the central character,

        right . . . if there is any unreliable narration in the film, that's where it occurs


>>but after her death, no character can be positioned in the center again.

        i'm not sure why not

>>So does Norman take center stage?

        perhaps . . . and many critics see norman as the hero [not
        merely the protagonist] of the film . . . the moral complexity that
        makes hitchcock so fascinating shows itself here . .   but though
        this is a good question it doesn't bear at all on the very
        different matter of unreliable narration