Doron wrote: I'd like to quote from Peter von Brandenburg the NY art critic that said: "film & video are mediumistic descriptors, whereas 'movie' is 'a media', e.g. an actual aesthetic vector. Either film or video might or might not be 'a movie'." Unfortunately, Doron, these comments by von Brandenburg are, to put it charitably, less than helpful. Worse, I haven't the foggiest notion of what the man is writing about. ``Mediumistic descriptors''??!!?? What, pray tell, is this? To parse this term is probably not worth my time, but it may (and I'm guessing here) refer to terms that describe the medium...? Actually, as I noted before, the terms ``film'' and ``video'' don't describe anything--they identify the two media in a specifically materialist way. Film IS film; video IS video. This is precisely why art museums and galleries use these terms (and sometimes go further, identifying the film format, eg. 16mm, 35mm) for labelling works on display. Therefore, von Brandenburg's second statement quoted here is manifestly incorrect. ``Movie'' is most definitely NOT ``a media.'' He goes on, in his apparently willfully obtuse, inpenetrable prose, to note that ``movie'' as ``a media'' is, for eg. ``an actual aesthetic vector.'' At which point, I stop cold in my tracks, whip my head around Conan O'Brien-style (mimicking George Bush The Child) and go, ``Huh?!?'' ``Movie'' is an American slang pop cultural word that cleverly reduces the term ``motion picture.'' (We Americans have forever been addicted to this kiind of reduction: I'm Robert, but you can call me Bob. Just don't call me Bob le Flambeur.) ``Movie'' is a far richer and more complicated word than something that can be abstracted to the nonsense of ``aesthetic vector.'' (Definition, please!) The word has been attached to everything from pure pop culture fandom, to the critical movement surrounding the U.K. film journal, Movie, to the ``movie-over-cinema art'' argument that was Kael's particular banner to wave. There are so many disparate associations with ``movie'' that I wonder if they've ever been fully quantified or listed. But whatever uses the word may have, none include identifing the medium. Then, finally, the von Brandenburg quote ends with this doozy: ``Either film or video might or might not be 'a movie'." Well, now, that's settled, isn't it? One way to read this is as a terrible re-phrasing of the John Simon line, that some works of cinema are ``films'' (Simon would cite Bergman, early Wertmuller) and others are ``movies'' (eg., Jerry Lewis comedies). As I said before, this sort of discrimination is both pointless and hopeless: Where does one exactly draw the line between what qualifies as ``a movie'' or ``a film'' under these aesthetic rules? Isn't this just a very bad English-language verbal fumbling of the French ``un film de'' credit, transferring the supposedly more serious French cinephilic value to American terminology, thus making what might be ``a movie'' into something that's suddenly ``a film'' (eg. ``a film by McG'')? Isn't this usage actually at heart driven by marketing dictates, which find such meaningless distinctions useful in categorizing various works for filing in the vast marketplace? And if this is the case, what does this have to do in any way with the cinema work's intrinsic value, merit or meaning? On the other hand, what von Brandenburg may be stating is so beyond the point that it isn't worth stating at all. For one thing, a ``video'' is never a ``movie.'' Videotape contains no pictures (and certainly no motion pictures), but does contain electronic information. And ``film'' can also be still photo film, which is obviously not a motion picture, or ``movie.'' If anything, von Brandenburg's comments only underline my previous point, which is that the cinema culture needs to use its terms with clarity and precision. Robert Koehler