>> I am not a Freudian, yet I wonder what the knock on catharsis is, if, like Aristotle, one believes that cathartic experiences >> make us less (and not more) likely to act out our forbidden desires in real life. As the Nixon commission on pornography >> concluded, male sex offenders were less exposed to pornography than the average man; there might be a lot to be said for >> catharsis. i hardly meand to knock catharsis [aristotle was smarter than i am] and don't think i said anything that might be read that way . . . but it seems to me that the clinical view of catharsis, that is actaully creates healthy [whatever that is] people and cultures, is a non-aristotelian idea, and actually a matter of fact . . . unfortunately it is a fact that remains indeterminate for we hae not yet devised any reliable way of determining whether porn makes us more sexually aggressive or horror more prone to violence in our real behavior . . . i would not want to defend those genres [which i quite like] in those terms i also have some problems with the claim that >> Mulholland Drive is a great film from my perspective, in part because it compels you >> think about it...the narrative thread is so skewed that you can only make sense of it by doing so. by this logic any text so screwed up that you had to drive yourself crazy sorting it out would be preferable to a cogently made case . . . by extension my students' critical papers, which really do make me crazy at times because of their incoherence, would be preferable to the kind of discourse that occurs on this list-serv . . . or, if we need to distinguish between critical and what is called "imaginative" work, that the creations of students in a poetry writing seminar is worth more than the work of great poets . . . sorry . . . i don't buy that . . . it's not the surface incohrence itself that makes work valuable; it's what more powerful coherence emerges when one sees it clearly . . . so far as i can tell no such coherence emerges from lynch . . . nor do i see how BLUE VELVET is insightful on the subject of scopophilia; sure the protagonist takes great but comnflicted pleasure in looking at sexual behavior, but that's nothing special . . . and the way that pleasure is developed and treated in the film seem to me little more than grand guignol mike PS -- good lord!! . . . i'm getting very argumentative, almost hostile i fear . . . wonder why . . . in any case i apologize if i've offended; i'm just trying to sort things out clearly