<<Its an ontology first project --loaded concepts like consciousness must come later, if at all --and must first be stripped of any metaphysical presumptions >> OK....getting away from these complex convolutions for just a second - they have their own trajectory, which is not necessarily fully comprehensive: I suggest that consciousness comes first in terms of simple phenomenology, and any analytic method. You can cut, paste, construct and de-construct concepts all over the place....but only within a field of consciousness, without which you would not exist. I don't mean as a speculative philosophical premise, I mean you would not exist in the sense in which H the man no longer exists. What you say *about* consciousness is secondary - whether it's metaphysical, relevant, irrelevant etc. None of this kind of discourse makes any difference to the fact of the 'wider field' of consciousness, within which - only - is this philosophcial activity possible, or any other. It seems to me terms like 'being' are not only the most profound that we have, but they have to be addressed in the most encompassing and panoramic way possible - some of which lies beyond the parameters of established intellectual discourse. Otherwise, your speculative rationale takes you to places that ultimately make no sense. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com