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As Vin suggested please find my updated copy of the crosbie gate, I spoke to the manager and he tells me that the gate now has a setting for positive closure and it can be supplied 2000 mm long to give chair and carer access Dave Croft ----------End of Message---------- Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme visit www.inclusive-design.it/ Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html