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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > It is possible for us to conceive of a strict separation between > spiritual and temporal power, perhaps. That might seem neat--to have > the Church solely concerned with spiritual matters and only temporal > rulers concerned with jurisdiction and war. It might be appropriate to recall that the experience of the Church's involvement in the Crusades substantially changed its attitude towards warfare. The Crusading orders of the Hospitallers and the Templars provided models for a specifically Christian type of knight. In the words of Guibert de Nogent: 'In our own time, God has instituted a holy manner of warfare, so that knights and the common people . have found a new way of winning salvation. . They can obtain God's grace in their accustomed manner and dress, and by their accustomed way of life.' That said, abuses certainly did occur, as they do at all times and in all circumstances. Cheers, Jim Bugslag ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html