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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Well, I don't know about distinguishing between hermits and monks. I was immediately struck on looking at the image with the similarity to Renaissance (not medieval) images of early hermit/monk saints, such as Velasquez' Ss. Antony and Paul, or the following Hungarian Ren. portrait of St. Antony, the first monk/hermit. They look a good deal to me like the figure in question. jw http://www.kfki.hu/keptar/kep/zmisc/oltar/16_sz/3/szepesbe.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Marjorie Greene Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:53 PM To: John Wickstrom Subject: Re: devil as monk medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Carlos, When I think of the frequent depictions of monks/abbots going to hell on various tympana, etc. the distinguishing feature of the monk/abbot is the tonsure or the mitre, hence my questioning of the cowled cloak as sure indication of the status of the temptor. In fact, I'd be inclined to see these cloaked figures as pilgrims (or hermits/beggars) more than anything else. Best, MG --- Carlos Sastre <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval > religion and culture > > Dear Marjorie: > > Sorry for the delay: I was digging up > monk-refeferences > > For this dutch miniature > > (http://www.geocities.com/cdesastre2000/TXti2.JPG) > > I was able to find a description in _The Golden Age > of Dutch Manuscript > Painting_ (Exh. Cat.), New York, 1990, p. 276: "The > first temtaption the > devil disguises as a hermit challenges Christ..." > > As for Botticelli > > (http://www.geocities.com/cdesastre2000/TXti3.jpg) > > T. Raquejo Grado, -Sandro Botticelli_, Madrid, 1993, > p. 57: "A la izquierda, > el demonio (disfrazado de monje o eremita) tienta a > Cristo..." > > I am sure this iconography occurs elsewhere. I first > met it in a > 13th-century Spanish capital: at that very moment I > was unaware of Erich's > reference, so it was just a guess. Now I see that > other authors assume the > hermit/monk theory. > > If I come accross with any textual evidence, I'll > let you know (for the > moment I am away from any library holding the > Patrologia, the Corpus > Christianorum or any patristic reference, so the > only thing I can do is > wait...) > > > Best Regards > > Carlos > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join > medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave > medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's > owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html