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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture At 09:08 AM 12/09/2002 -0400, you wrote: >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > >Response to your note dated 09/11/02 > >Dear Dr. Diebold, > >In regard to Francois Villon. > >In March 1449 he was received into the baccalaureate, and in August 1452 he >became a Master of Arts - that is to say, a junior member of the clergy. > >W. L. Schreiber, in his "Biblia Pauperum from the only edition with 50 >plates" (translation mine, I will give the German version if requested) >published in Strassburg in 1903, lists thirty manuscript versions of the >Biblia Pauperum. Twenty-one of these manuscripts are dated. They are dated >1350-70, 1360-80, 1353, 1340-50, 1430, 1380, 1380-1400, 1360-80, 1400, >1400-1420, 1340, 1360-75, 1420-40, 1450-65, 1460-80, 1450, 1415, 1390-1410, >1425, 1440-60, 1470. > >You will note that four of these manuscript versions appeared close to 1460, >the date given to about ten 40 page versions of the Biblia Pauperum. > >This is solid evidence that the concept of teaching, or learning, from >images telling a Biblical study was familiar to Villon who lived 1431-63. >After all, his education at the University of Paris was as a religious. In >March 1449 he was received into the baccalaureate, and in August 1452 he >became a Master of Arts - that is to say, a junior member of the clergy. > >I suggest that Villon, because of his education, was familiar with the use >of pictures, on paper or parchment, as wall paintings or as painted glass >windows as teaching aids. Whether to the literate or illiterate is not >important since the literate would have had their information refreshed, and >the illiterate could follow the words of the priest looking at the images in >the wall paintings. > >For myself, I find your statement "A quotation by Villon in which he >represents his mother as saying something does not strike me as good >evidence for how the 'untutored' used images." Since the "untutored" could >not write how could they have left "good evidence for how the 'untutored' >used images"? > >Regards, Jim Jim, The issue addressed above are of considerable importance to me, and for everyone, I would assume, in particular the pandora box opened by the sentence: "and >the illiterate could follow the words of the priest looking at the images in >the wall paintings." Now, where is there evidence of a priest preaching >with the help of images? How about the "readability" of these images so >they can be used for that purpose? What is that "seeing" all about? What >exactly did you see, and what did you believe to see? Was it really >necessary to "see" it our way, or was the word, the sermon much more >important than the image? Any suggestions? Jens T. Wollesen ---------- Jens T. Wollesen Assoc. Prof., Dr. phil. habil. University of Toronto Department of Fine Art/Graduate Department of History of Art 100 St. George Street Toronto, Ontario, M5S 3G3 Canada [log in to unmask] nonsense is nonsense, but the history of nonsense is scholarship ---------- ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html