On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:38:29 +0100, keith armstrong <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >I don't know if Goffmann is alive today. However, he certainly was when the debate was ongoing in the late 60's, I have not seen Goffmann's reply to his critics. > >Black people didn't invent, nor did people with impairments invent disability. Goffmann's Stigma is certainly a Christian concept, the ideas contained in his work have certainly not improved the lot of the disability community. > > >Keith >Keith Armstrong > > >On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:09:40 +0100 > Jonathan McNabb <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> In relation to the last post: I would like to point out that in the >> discussions by disabled writers on Goffmann's Stigma I have read none have >> to taken into account Goffmann's use of irony and other literary devices >> which are there under the surface. >> >> Jonathan > >-- >War makes people ill. > >________________End of message______________________ > >Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List >are now located at: > >www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > >You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. Goffman died in 1982. He was Jewish and the significance of that has been ignored many of the critics of his work. According to Goffman it was the ancient Greeks originated the term stigma. The ideas it may or may not have improved the lot of disabled people but was the purpose of the book. Surely it is important to understand ideas and arguments that have had a impact on disabled people's lifes whether you agree with them or not. To do so you have to be aware how and why writers wrote in the manner they did, otherwise you miss understand the point. I am afraid many of the critiques of Stigma I have read my disabled people have been poor and misrepresent what Goffman was trying to say. Disability Studies is not helped by slippy analysis. Jonathan McNabb ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page.