In article <003a01c25b73$c5143e00$2fa91e3e@AdrianFogarty>, Adrian Fogarty <[log in to unmask]> writes >Yes John, I believe any cord injury will happen at the moment of impact; >it's highly unlikely that the patient will cause further damage in the ED. >Like any unstable fracture, the forces causing deformity are maximal upon >impact. Like you, I've never seen a definite exacerbation of cord injury in >the ED. By the same token the patient who is mobilising at the scene is >extremely unlikely to come to harm in the ED, so I get peeved when they >arrive immobilised, or even worse when they get immobilised by the triage >nurse. > Generally, I feel the same But to be fair, there is another issue for the ambulance service - someone with a stable injury or a guarded unstable one at the scene may not be so stable in the event of the ambulance hitting something, stopping quickly etc This had not really occurred to me until someone pointed it out Having said that - we had a chap we were searching for eventually find himself (or rather, us) a few months ago - had had 2 big tumbling falls whilst hiking the afternoon before - he walked to us. We sat him in the small police helicopter and flew him to the airfield. He walked from the helicopter - got in the ambulance and was promptly immobilised despite a mild protestation from me Cheers -- Jel Coward The UK Wilderness Emergency Medical Technician and Command Physician course is 10-16th November 2002 at Glenmore Lodge, Aviemore, Scotland http://www.wildmedic.org http://www.wemsi.org [log in to unmask] 'There's no such thing as bad weather - just bad clothing" Anon Norwegian