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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I just had a similar experience looking at a Bolognese MS of the Gregorian Decretals. The cardinals are in different colors. I am going to start this winter some research into synodal legislation about clerical garb. A brief sounding in Mansi's Sacrorum conciliorum nova et amplissima collectio revealed several synodal decrees, some quite detailed, on cut, stuff and color of clerical costume - what an article I read recently calls "walking dress," not liturgical vestments. Some fall under De vita et honestate clericorum, some under De habitu clericorum. Unfortunately, just like the Corpus Iuris Canonici, little is said by synods and councils about cardinals, although the decrees of the Councils of Constance & Basel discuss their number and "quality." Tom Izbicki At 11:29 PM 8/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: >medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > ><<> So far I haven't found any discrepancy between cardinals and > > deacon-cardinals, etc. He just talks about 'cardinals' in > > general. But he does mention how green, prior to the > > sixteenth century, was the color of bishops, archbishops, and > > patriarchs. In the late 16th century the color was changed to > > fuchsia, or purple.>> > >Really, that late? Wild. ::files that in her oxymoronically-named >Important Trivia file next to the bit about when Franciscan habits >stopped being gray:: > >I *would* be interested in the information you mentioned on heraldic and >vesture colors, BTW...:-) > >I remember coming across a book on Italian textiles and clothes of the >Middle Ages/Renaissance -- forgot the title, darnit -- which made >reference to a very specific color red, a dye called *chermisi*. If >memory serves the dye was derived from some kind of beetle. Anyway, it >was such a spiffy, expensive and high-quality red that the pope made it >the official cardinals' red. I apologize deeply for not being able to >remember enough of the details to be really helpful. I think this >occurred sometime in the 15th century...I remember noting it was after >the period I was researching. But a search on chermisi might prove >fruitful (chermisi being the Italian spelling, I think it begins with a >k in other spellings). > >This reminds me of something weird I'm seeing in a souvenir book I just >picked up last week at the Palais des Papes in Avignon (rock on >Avignon!). It looks like a period illumination -- I'm not hip enough to >tell whether it's 14c or early 15c -- and unfortunately the specific >source is not listed, it just says it's from the District Archives. In >any case, it's a picture of Clement V holding consistory, and he has the >usual gang of red-hatted cardinals about him, all looking very intent on >whatever the subject of debate is. But although their hats are red, the >illuminator has put their overgarments (forget the technical term, but >it's the usual cardinal's overgarment pictured in medieval illos, so the >cut is definitely correct) in different colors. Pink, blue, black, even >green with some kind of goldwork trim. This is my roundabout way of >asking -- is it a fact that these boys got to wear other colors, and if >so, would that really have been okay in an official setting like >consistory or was it more a feature of their everyday dress? (Their >everyday ecclesiastical dress, that is.) Or was the illuminator taking >liberties with color for illustrative purposes? Or was he just inhaling >too many ink particulates that day? > >BTW, I've never had much luck finding in-depth resources on medieval >cardinals, particularly Avignon cardinals (I mean aside from the books >on the Avignon Papacy and the Schism, which don't go into too much >detail on quotidian stuff). If anybody knows of anything really solid, >preferably in English but I can struggle through French if necessary, do >let me know! Many thanks... > >--Sarah Roark > >********************************************************************** >To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >to: [log in to unmask] >To send a message to the list, address it to: >[log in to unmask] >To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >to: [log in to unmask] >In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: >[log in to unmask] >For further information, visit our web site: >http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html Thomas M. 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